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Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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> Kurtaj managed to breach Rockstar, the company behind GTA, using an Amazon Firestick, his hotel TV and a mobile phone. That's quite a feat. > Rockstar Games alone told the court that the hack cost it $5m to recover from plus thousands of hours of staff time. Either the kid is a genius or Rockstar really don't value their security much. Or maybe a bit of both?

An genius would not only pull of the heist but get away with it.

There is no physical evidence: DNA, fingerprints.

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>>As well as hacking offences the boy was sentenced for what the judge described as "unpleasant and frightening pattern of stalking and harassment" of two young women. Bunch of people on here are defending him, please justify this for me.

Edit: Actually, FTA that's a different (17-year-old) boy. Ok that's dramatically worse. Still not sure "indefinite detention" is the right call, but that's absolutely a more significant crime.

I went back and re-read it. You are correct and I am mistaken. The article does briefly discuss another 17-year old member of the group who was the one doing the stalking.

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Someone should hire him as a white hat. Maybe they have some kind of custodial guardianship where the employer can monitor him staying clean.

Having seen that play out in real life before, I don't think he'd be as much of an asset as a liability. The problem with white hats is they need to have an interest in following some set of rules. With this guy it sounds more like his rule set is defined by whatever he finds interesting with little concern for legality or what others might find acceptable. It's similar to the problem with the asshole genius programm…

I’ve seen the opposite, the worthless manager, way more than the asshole genius.

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autism doesn't mean he doesn't have emotions

"empathy impairment" is a fundamental feature of autism. It's not stigma. It'a not universal, but it is a major part of why it's a disorder in the first place.

As someone with autism, I lack empathy for (most) fake situations. Once I realized therapists and their ilk were lying about sad stories, I stopped having empathy for those sad situations.

Ditto for fake news stories.

Only mentally unfit people can pass a therapist's tests and be empathetic for people they know do not exist.

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He may have emotions but certainly he doesn't care about those of others and the damage he can provoke. He actually wants to continue to be a criminal. FTA: A mental health assessment used as part of the sentencing hearing said he "continued to express the intent to return to cyber-crime as soon as possible. He is highly motivated." The guy needs help because he's autistic, and watched closely because he's also a soc…

Plenty of people want to commit crimes that aren't sociopaths.

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> He will remain at a secure hospital for life unless doctors deem him no longer a danger, Southwark crown court heard on Thursday. For life, haha. Probably a few months at most. > Many young people wish to explore how technology works and what vulnerabilities exist. This can include learning to code, interacting with like-minded individuals online and experimenting with tools. Learning to code and experimenting is w…

Don’t know about the UK specifically, but familiar with an analogue process in a EU country and it’s almost always a life sentence.

Doctors will almost never sign off, in part because of fear they were wrong (there were a handful of cases where the person ended up becoming violent in public, lots of public outrage despite it being statistically insignificant across all the released). Result is also that 60% is deemed “untreatable” within the first few months and thus will never even be considered for release.

Issue is also that it’s kind of a feedback loop, no perspective on a possible relief doesn’t help mental issues.

Also doesn’t help that it’s not considered a punishment or substitute thereof so people first have to serve their time in prison (which often fucks them up even more) before they get transferred to a custody mental hospital to fulfill that part of their sentence.

It’s so bad that defense lawyers try to avoid it all cost because then at least they can be treated after prison by someone who’s main priority is to treat or manage the mental issue.

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From TFA, and given prior hacks, he's very skilled.

Someone should hire him as a white hat. Maybe they have some kind of custodial guardianship where the employer can monitor him staying clean.

Maybe the only thing more dangerous than holding someone in a "hospital" as a sentence is to allow an employer to decide if they should be allowed out or sent back to serve their life sentence. It's just as bad as H-1 visas, or allowing illegal aliens into the USA with babies who are not given US citizenship. (I am not taking sides on whether we should give US citizenship to those people, deport them, or what. I am pointing out that making someone the slave of their employer is bad for society.)

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Someone should hire him as a white hat. Maybe they have some kind of custodial guardianship where the employer can monitor him staying clean.

It's tough though, how do you know that they won't use those skills against you? The individual seems relatively unstable and violent, even saying during a sentencing hearing that they'll continue to do illegal breaches whenever they can. Would be great to have them on the "good" side, but would probably take a lot of energy and resources as well. Hopefully this story will have a somewhat happy ending, because it see…

> The individual seems relatively unstable and violent, even saying during a sentencing hearing that they'll continue to do illegal breaches whenever they can.

Admitting you will continue to fight evil is not evil.

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