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Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

ipaddr wrote: post #62
hackerlight wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see violent crimes as necessarily the worst. Crimes that steal from large numbers of people are arguably worse than many types of violent crime due to the sheer magnitude of lives that got destroyed. If you destroy 10,000 regular lives through fraud you deserve the worst punishment in line with murderers. Although this guy's long sentence isn't only because of what he stole from Rockstar, my commentary is not…

Murdering 10 is okay compared to shutting down a video game company for a few hours?

Straw man argument; the person you replied to did not say this.

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Post by Ralo »

mk_stjames wrote: post #83

I'd really like to hear more about the type of exploits here. Like, what level- Are we saying this kid is so brilliant he is writing zero-days for getting into corporate networks or if this a case of a guy in a good script-kiddie type group running phishing deals where they fire off 100000 emails a day and wait for someone to give up their logic credentials. Because if it is the former it's really hard for me to unde…

I don't remember where I read this, but I remember hearing that they offer to buy credentials from rogue employees.

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Post by dang »

switch007 wrote: post #74
nicklecompte wrote: post #53

BBC's actual headline: "Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order" The editorialized reframing of the headline is a bit subtle but still incredibly dishonest. An indefinite psychiatric order is simply not the same as a life sentence.

The BBC regularly updates headlines after publication (A/B testing for clicks) so it's possible it was the BBC, not the poster.

Updated now. Thanks for catching this.

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Post by ianhawes »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #82
mise_en_place wrote: post #77

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Not sure if I'd call that severe autism. That's psychopathic behavior, when you don't feel any remorse for your crimes.

I don't feel remorse for his crimes. Am I a psychopath? Hacking a game company just so you can show people what is being worked on should not be a crime .

He hacked a game company and threatened to release confidential information unless they paid a ransom.

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Post by thomastjeffery »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #100
thomastjeffery wrote: post #76

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Yes, I read the article. It's full of expectations . There is the expectation that someone should be punished severely for hacking a multi-billion dollar corporation. There is the expectation that that punishment will result in them just never hacking again. There is the expectation that a person who is arrested and threatened will respond with patience, and not with their own violence. There is the expectation that…

He is being met with treatment instead of punishment. He stole and extorted, assaulted people, and destroyed property and was convicted of actual crimes. They did try to meet him at his level. They released him pending bail and he committed more crimes. He told the court that if they released him he would continue committing crimes. They aren’t sending him to prison though, because he isn’t mentally fit. They are sen…

The primary crimes we are talking about are not the violent ones. They are hacking.

You are welcome to disagree with me, but I don't believe hacking Rockstar to get a peek under the curtain should be a crime. So what if we took that part out of the story? What would change? Everything. The whole story would be completely different.

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Call it treatment all you want. The goal has already been laid out, and it's not rehabilitation.

Have you ever been in a mental hospital? They do important work, but that doesn't change the reality of what they are. It's a prison with carpets. Trained guards are prepared, not only to detain you, but even to sedate you.

Yes, they exist for treatment, but that doesn't make them a good fit for everyone. We can, and should try other avenues first. I'm not content to throw up my hands and give up on this person. I'm not content to accept this system as the best our society can provide.

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

ryandrake wrote: post #67
theshackleford wrote: post #44

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> Cool, all you need to do is to stamp the autism label on them and put them in a secure hospital and convict them for a crime that would get like 5 years in prison. Good thing that’s not what happened then I guess.

The article specifically says: > He will remain at a secure hospital for life unless doctors deem him no longer a danger. So he's confined for life. Confinement is confinement, whether it's a prison or hospital. This definitely seems like a case where the government found a "backdoor" to allow them to get away with confining someone for life, even though they probably couldn't do through the normal criminal justice s…

> So he's confined for life.

> unless doctors deem him no longer a danger

It's down to him and whether the institution he's in can do anything for him.

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

seattle_spring wrote: post #20

Seems reasonable to me. Glad there aren't any comments yet saying "oh gosh it was just a video game company, those are a scourge anyway on family morals!"

I am not sure the consensus here would ever consider relative moral value of attacking a 'bad guy'. I am personally saddened that a clearly brilliant mind will waste away. I, for one, do not doubt that his skill could be put to good use. Not to search, I remember being a kid and saying all sorts of things that would get me in trouble today.

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Post by thomastjeffery »

ianhawes wrote: post #115
thomastjeffery wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't feel remorse for his crimes. Am I a psychopath? Hacking a game company just so you can show people what is being worked on should not be a crime .

He hacked a game company and threatened to release confidential information unless they paid a ransom.

I agree that the ransom was immoral, and probably should be criminal.

Beyond that, I don't agree with any of this. If a company wants to keep secrets, then they are welcome to try. Let that be their responsibility.

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Post by iimblack »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #102
mise_en_place wrote: post #85

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The Rockstar breach was just one instance of criminal behavior. This individual is clearly dangerous and should not be allowed back into society. There is a pattern of blatant disregard of the law, it's not like he's a grey-hat or even black-hat security researcher.

Is it a disregard for the law, or a disagreement ? The law is unjust to begin with. I don't blame anyone for breaking it twice. Would I recommend it? No. That doesn't mean I have to judge them for it. The scary behavior here is his violence; but that violence was clearly a reaction to the violence he was confronted with: being arrested and threatened. I'm not convinced that he is a threat to society . Sure, I can agr…

> They also stole directly from individuals through their cryptocurrency wallets.

Plus other hacks in the article.

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