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Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by Thorrez »

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #93
jgilias wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He’s getting downvoted because that’s a solved problem in the wider crypto-space. To log in you sign a message using your hardware wallet. Nostr hasn’t grown up to that yet, and pointing out that pasting private keys is a bad idea is fair game. But implying that public private key cryptography can’t be used to log into web apps is just silly given that value worth billions is being moved around daily using such web a…

There's a reason why social logins, magic links and SMS login codes are so ubiquitous now - end users want 0 friction getting into their accounts. This increases friction beyond what is currently common practice. No, the public doesn't want nor care about using a key to log in.

Does public key necessarily have to be high friction?

Couldn't there be a few-step UI similar to "Sign in with Google/Facebook/etc"?

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by jrmg »

tambourine_man wrote: post #63
vivzkestrel wrote: post #25

decentralized anything never works at scale, this is what all the techie founders never grasp. what happens if someone uploads a child porn video or cartel beheading video on your website? because of your algorithm ll stack things by watch time it ll get to the front page in no time. What measures/controls do you have because your site explicitly says "we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we di…

The problem with decentralized is more of UX and latency than moderation, IMO. Just look at Mastodon. The issue is not the crazy content you get from time to time. What’s annoying is waiting for media to appear on your timeline and explaining newcomers that they must choose a server and the double @@ thing. The second is a one-time thing at signup and perhaps surpassable. The first is a deal breaker. Anyone used to I…

waiting for media to appear on your timeline

What do you mean by this?

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by mattstir »

greentea23 wrote: post #99
vivzkestrel wrote: post #25

decentralized anything never works at scale, this is what all the techie founders never grasp. what happens if someone uploads a child porn video or cartel beheading video on your website? because of your algorithm ll stack things by watch time it ll get to the front page in no time. What measures/controls do you have because your site explicitly says "we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we di…

Email is decentralized. The client provides the spam protection and moderation.

Email is a fantastic example of something that's technically capable of being decentralized but in practice has something like 70%+ of all traffic handled by three major companies (Google, Microsoft, and Apple). No one can stop you from making your own email client and using it, but your emails will most certainly get black holed and discarded as spam by most major services much more frequently.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by konart »

acdha wrote: post #86
sph wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Torrent search engines still exist, DMCA notwithstanding.

Yes, but people aren’t building dependencies on them. If you’re unable to use hosting in the top countries, that’s going to complicate any attempt to build an actual business or get people to use a community project.

But the beauty here is that you don't have to run a business or host a community project.

You can have a local client that connects to N relays and supports a few NIPs.

And if one of the relays goes down for whatever reason - you will still be able to get updates from the others. Including information about new relays.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by ThrowawayTestr »

jrmg wrote: post #132
tambourine_man wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with decentralized is more of UX and latency than moderation, IMO. Just look at Mastodon. The issue is not the crazy content you get from time to time. What’s annoying is waiting for media to appear on your timeline and explaining newcomers that they must choose a server and the double @@ thing. The second is a one-time thing at signup and perhaps surpassable. The first is a deal breaker. Anyone used to I…

waiting for media to appear on your timeline What do you mean by this?

Loading a picture from one small instance to another takes tens of seconds, practically dial up speeds.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

#136

Post by the_gastropod »

rglullis wrote: post #84
the_gastropod wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most people does not want cars to crash into Christmas fairs either. But the solution is not to ban cars. Mist people does not want kids to be bullied at school. But the solution is not to ban schools. Right! And the solution also isn’t “fuck it. Too complicated to do perfectly. No discipline in schools / no traffic laws”.

Decentralization does not mean anarchy. The discipline and the laws come from the bottom up. Also, they are usually better than the ones imposed by a central planner because they can be developed faster and within the context of the social norms and culture of the people who are subject to it.

Decentralization doesn't mean much of anything on its own. There are "decentralized" setups that do moderation fairly well (e.g., Mastodon or most oldschool web forums, where there's ultimately someone accountable). This (Nostr), specifically [1], makes fun of such setups.

To moderate any system, there must be affordances for moderation and someone(s) accountable to the users of the system. As far as I can tell, like most blockchain projects, the Nostr project has effectively stripped (nearly) all affordances for doing moderation. Given that the Nostr audience seems to overlap considerably with crypto enthusiasts, I think their stance is basically the same: no moderation, no "censorship", etc. Given that there's literally child porn stored on the Bitcoin blockchain right now, I don't think your argument holds that "decentralization" can just Jeff Goldblum it and "find a way" without explicit affordances / accountability.

[1] https://nostr.com/comparisons/mastodon

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by krapp »

vezycash wrote: post #120
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a reason why social logins, magic links and SMS login codes are so ubiquitous now - end users want 0 friction getting into their accounts. This increases friction beyond what is currently common practice. No, the public doesn't want nor care about using a key to log in.

>end users want 0 friction getting into their accounts. Why not offer both, the easy one for normal users and an option to use the more secure option.

Why not have the secure option also be easy so normal users will use it?

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by sph »

dancemethis wrote: post #96

Friendly reminder that "Nostr", just like all things with a missing vowel like this, is spelled "Nostrrrrrrrr" with the 'r' imitating an old vehicle's motor for a few seconds. It's the way the users of this pattern want and like it.

Maybe they'll do like the bird site: Nostr -> Noster -> Z

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by rglullis »

the_gastropod wrote: post #136
rglullis wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Decentralization does not mean anarchy. The discipline and the laws come from the bottom up. Also, they are usually better than the ones imposed by a central planner because they can be developed faster and within the context of the social norms and culture of the people who are subject to it.

Decentralization doesn't mean much of anything on its own. There are "decentralized" setups that do moderation fairly well (e.g., Mastodon or most oldschool web forums, where there's ultimately someone accountable). This (Nostr), specifically [1], makes fun of such setups. To moderate any system, there must be affordances for moderation and someone(s) accountable to the users of the system. As far as I can tell, like…

Nostr makes fun of the idea that you can have centralized moderation and moves it explicitly to the relays. It is up to the relay owner to determine what is allowed or not.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by edent »

Zm44 wrote: post #112
Retr0id wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's a typo for "any of the 34235 clients", where 34235 is a stand-in for "large number" (there are lots of nostr clients). Nostr is interesting because it's not actually P2P, just decentralised - whether that's a good thing is open to question.

In this case 34235 client refers to `kind 34235` events. In nostr, different event types are distinguished by kind numbers, so clients can be built and filter for events of a certain type. For example, the content shown on a twitter/microblogging client, should not be the same as the content shown on a YouTube like client.

That's super usable!
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