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Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by alkonaut »

jgilias wrote: post #67
smcleod wrote: post #57

The sites design is very aesthetically pleasing, well done on that front. Something that put me off a bit was immediately seeing bitcoin influencer content after loading the page.

That’s just the nature of Nostr at the moment. It’s very Bitcoin adjacent. There’s significant overlap between Nostr and Bitcoin developers. Also, Bitcoin (through Lightning) is the currency used on Nostr for anything and everything. I can totally see how that’s off putting for normal people though.

It's so off putting I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. I wouldn't even curiously browse a landing page of an otherwise interesting project beyond the point I notice that something is mildly "cryptocurrency-adjacent", or it becomes obvious that it has involvement from devs who also enjoy working on blockchains. Thanks for the heads up.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by vivzkestrel »

guerrilla wrote: post #50
vivzkestrel wrote: post #25

decentralized anything never works at scale, this is what all the techie founders never grasp. what happens if someone uploads a child porn video or cartel beheading video on your website? because of your algorithm ll stack things by watch time it ll get to the front page in no time. What measures/controls do you have because your site explicitly says "we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we di…

Except BitTorrent which been going strong for 20 years now...

and do you know what most people use bit torrent for ? "think , mark think..."

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by bogwog »

smcleod wrote: post #57

The sites design is very aesthetically pleasing, well done on that front. Something that put me off a bit was immediately seeing bitcoin influencer content after loading the page.

That's the reason I personally avoid Nostr. I know it's unfair because Nostr itself is actually a cool protocol that has nothing to do with bitcoin, but the stench of that is hard to wash off. I wouldn't want to build something that becomes associated with bitcoin just because of the name of the protocol.

It's like whenever there was a reddit/twitter/etc alternative some years ago following outrage, it'd get flooded with some of the worst people on the internet. Voat comes to mind as a pretty competent reddit clone that had potential, until it got overrun with nazis/racists and other kinds of losers. I was very close to releasing an app for that one, but abandoned it once it became clear the direction the userbase was going.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

#84

Post by rglullis »

the_gastropod wrote: post #22
skinkestek wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree that there are things we don't want to exist, but by your logic internet should have been forbidden a long time ago. This can be said for so many situations: Most people does not want cars to crash into Christmas fairs either. But the solution is not to ban cars. Most people does not want kids to be bullied at school. But the solution is not to ban schools. Etc. You can say we have laws about cars. Yes, but tho…

> Most people does not want cars to crash into Christmas fairs either. But the solution is not to ban cars. Mist people does not want kids to be bullied at school. But the solution is not to ban schools. Right! And the solution also isn’t “fuck it. Too complicated to do perfectly. No discipline in schools / no traffic laws”.

Decentralization does not mean anarchy. The discipline and the laws come from the bottom up. Also, they are usually better than the ones imposed by a central planner because they can be developed faster and within the context of the social norms and culture of the people who are subject to it.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by rglullis »

the_gastropod wrote: post #10
cybrox wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because it's not THE biggest problem doesn't mean that it isn't A problem. More specifically not YouTubes moderation itself but the way in which its systems can be abused.

Right. But “lol, we’ll just get rid of moderation, bro” is an incredibly naive and dangerous non-solution. I think it frustrates many stereotypical “tech bro” types that there exist problems that are difficult or impossible for technology to solve. Content moderation is a messy business. But it’s necessary business.

Getting rid of centralized moderation and unilateral censorship is not the same as "getting rid of moderation, bro".

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by acdha »

sph wrote: post #41
RF_Savage wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. Same problems as torrent trackers and search engines. Even only having magnet links did not save site operators.

Torrent search engines still exist, DMCA notwithstanding.

Yes, but people aren’t building dependencies on them. If you’re unable to use hosting in the top countries, that’s going to complicate any attempt to build an actual business or get people to use a community project.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by acdha »

tambourine_man wrote: post #63
vivzkestrel wrote: post #25

decentralized anything never works at scale, this is what all the techie founders never grasp. what happens if someone uploads a child porn video or cartel beheading video on your website? because of your algorithm ll stack things by watch time it ll get to the front page in no time. What measures/controls do you have because your site explicitly says "we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we di…

The problem with decentralized is more of UX and latency than moderation, IMO. Just look at Mastodon. The issue is not the crazy content you get from time to time. What’s annoying is waiting for media to appear on your timeline and explaining newcomers that they must choose a server and the double @@ thing. The second is a one-time thing at signup and perhaps surpassable. The first is a deal breaker. Anyone used to I…

I think of those as priorities for when you need to start focusing on each one. Latency is a huge deal for starting to use a service, moderation affects what happens after people do start adoption. You have to get big enough to attract spammers, organized trolls, etc.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by _heimdall »

askonomm wrote: post #27
vivzkestrel wrote: post #25

decentralized anything never works at scale, this is what all the techie founders never grasp. what happens if someone uploads a child porn video or cartel beheading video on your website? because of your algorithm ll stack things by watch time it ll get to the front page in no time. What measures/controls do you have because your site explicitly says "we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we di…

As evidenced by how Fediverse works (Mastodon for example); The networks actively ban bad acting networks, have very active set of moderators on each network, etc. How is this any different from centralized thing?

This is the kicker people reaching for federation miss. Federation just means you may have more moderators running around moderating more copies of all the same data.

Federation has a few pros for sure, but avoiding moderation isn't one of them. If anything its harder to know who is doing the moderating and where to look if you think things may be quietly being banned or buried.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by wlll »

alkonaut wrote: post #81
jgilias wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s just the nature of Nostr at the moment. It’s very Bitcoin adjacent. There’s significant overlap between Nostr and Bitcoin developers. Also, Bitcoin (through Lightning) is the currency used on Nostr for anything and everything. I can totally see how that’s off putting for normal people though.

It's so off putting I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. I wouldn't even curiously browse a landing page of an otherwise interesting project beyond the point I notice that something is mildly "cryptocurrency-adjacent", or it becomes obvious that it has involvement from devs who also enjoy working on blockchains. Thanks for the heads up.

Same sentiment here. Something to compete with YouTube would be great but I'm not going anywhere near anything crypto related, the whole ecosystem stinks to me.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by KomoD »

I don't even know how to sign up... lol

there's an "nsec" field which i have no clue what it is

there's a "connect with nsec" button which again, i don't know what it is.

and then there's "login with extension" button which does nothing.

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