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Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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Post by barrkel »

VBprogrammer wrote: post #407
Animats wrote: post #376

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The tap-and-pay RF people need to get their act together. The average number of tries needed to get a good read is > 1. For Veriphone units, > 2. Please make it clear where, exactly, the near-field antenna is. Behind the screen? Behind the logo that looks like WiFi? Somewhere inside a separate hockey-puck device? And indicate when the reader is active, too. Light up something. One place I visit regularly had a POS sy…

For what it's worth, contactless is ubiquitous in the UK – the experience is almost always seamless. The only exception being the odd reader with the antenna in a stupid place (these have gotten less common over time) or when your bank decides to force a pin check.

I'm increasingly finding that my phone is detected while I'm still moving it towards the scanner, and it complains that my phone moved too fast. Then I have to wait like a schmuck until something resets and I can do it again.

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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Post by sangnoir »

intrasight wrote: post #100
1970-01-01 wrote: post #81

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The actual gains are never discussed. It could be massive or much less than you expect.

At least they are not charging a license fee for the connector.

The billions in federal government subsidies (funded by the Inflation Reduction Act) will more than make up for any potential licensing fees. I wouldn't be surprised if Tesla is paying other manufactures to switch; we may never know as the agreements are confidential.

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Post by xp84 »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #425
al_borland wrote: post #364

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So solving this problem would be as simple as mandating/regulating it? Sounds like a no-brainer to end this debate, standardize things, and allow the build out to happen in a quick and standard way across companies. With all the EV goals that various countries are making, this seems like a foundational part of it. Consumers aren't going to buy into EVs in mass until charging in a solved problem.

The epic solution is free charging financed by gasoline taxes.

That would be quite effective IF it were tenable, but this is a solution in search of a revolution, lol (speaking strictly for the US). I wish I were joking, but politically you would have an easier time abolishing Christmas than something like this. Pitchforks would be wielded by 2 groups:

1. numbskulls who hate EVs because they believe that being able to add 400 miles of range in their F150 in 5 minutes (ie gasoline) is the only okay way to do energy for every vehicle.

2. People with a good point that EVs are very expensive and why should poorer people subsidize the rich when the poors can’t even afford an EV.

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

dylan604 wrote: post #314
NewJazz wrote: post #297

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Driving with a near empty tank is more likely to cause corrosion.

this isn't technically correct. the low levels are not causing the corrosion. it's the contaminants that float in the fuel is the issue. when the tank has plenty of fuel, those floaters are not near the fuel pump. as the levels lower, the contaminants become more concentrated and are more likely to interact with the pump. at least, that's how it was described to me. by described, of course i mean harped on at every o…

Water (usually what corrodes fuel tanks) sinks to the bottom when it separates. Plus running any other contaminants through your fuel pump is exactly what you want - burn them up and get rid of them, don't leave them floating in your tank until you get a hole in your tank from them.

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Post by giobox »

jader201 wrote: post #25
alsodumb wrote: post #8

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US is standardizing quite nicely too, on Tesla's charging standard. I can't think of a company that is not planning to use Tesla's charger going forward.

Not really. Many Tesla Superchargers are being equipped with Magic Dock, which is perpetuating CCS. More manufacturers may be moving to NACS, but it’s not like chargers are moving away from CCS. If anything, the CCS infrastructure is growing.

> Many Tesla Superchargers are being equipped with Magic Dock, which is perpetuating CCS

This isn't actually the case; while the tech press made a big deal about the project when announced, hardly any Super Charger sites have the Magic Dock. As of this month, it's only at ~50 Super Charger locations. I also think with widespread NACS adoption the rollout will slow down even more - what is the point of the project if almost all new EVs sold in the US will have NACS? There are over 2000 Tesla Super Charger locations in the US.

I have never seen a Magic Dock in the wild personally, for what little additional it's worth.

> https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-magic-dock-supercharger-inta...

> https://supercharge.info/data

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Post by baloki »

g_p wrote: post #460
VBprogrammer wrote: post #407

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For what it's worth, contactless is ubiquitous in the UK – the experience is almost always seamless. The only exception being the odd reader with the antenna in a stupid place (these have gotten less common over time) or when your bank decides to force a pin check.

How would paying for an EV charge work like this? Would you select an amount of credit in currency (presumably via buttons on the charger?) then tap-to-pay for that amount? (I believe there are some limitations on tap-to-pay transactions to prevent a merchant presenting the transaction with a different value after actually tapping the card.) I think a lot of "pay at pump" fuel stations require a full insertion of the…

They generally pre-auth for either £20 or £40 and then update the amount post-transaction.

In terms of PIN check, the card is just declined with an appropriate error message because you can’t insert it and the next time you use a contactless machine it asks for the card to be inserted and a PIN entered.

For petrol (gas) pumps in the UK it generally auths either £1 or £99.

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Post by [deleted] »

maximus-decimus wrote: post #418

I wonder how much this will have an Osborne effect i.e. will people just stop buying their EVs until they release cars with the Tesla connector? Buying a car without that plug now is a bit like buying a Betamax player right after everybody announces they'll soon only support VHS.

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Post by Tostino »

xp84 wrote: post #463
mensetmanusman wrote: post #425

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The epic solution is free charging financed by gasoline taxes.

That would be quite effective IF it were tenable, but this is a solution in search of a revolution, lol (speaking strictly for the US). I wish I were joking, but politically you would have an easier time abolishing Christmas than something like this. Pitchforks would be wielded by 2 groups: 1. numbskulls who hate EVs because they believe that being able to add 400 miles of range in their F150 in 5 minutes (ie gasolin…

That second point is personally the sticking point for me. No reason the less-well-off should subsidize those who have the ability to purchase a new vehicle.

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Post by _zoltan_ »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #50
mschuster91 wrote: post #28

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Yeah, because CCS1 only supports 1 phase AC because the usual standard of residential power is 1 phase AC. In contrast, in Europe 3 phase AC is the standard, so it makes sense to support that advantage (especially the 400V across the legs) in charging vehicles.

Three phase power is not “the standard” in Europe. It’s more available perhaps, but certainly not the default residential hookup.

it's standard in France, Germany, Hungary Slovakia and Switzerland, at least.
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