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Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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If it’s electrical it wouldn’t be too hard to conver from one standard to another using an adapter, since it’s standard on both sides there will be a money incentive to make one

How about voltage / current / communication? Seems quite a complicated problem, it's not just a case of different USB plug styles..

Remember teslas come with a CCS adapter that can go the other way.

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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So there is actually a technical reason here. NACS isn't a thing in Europe because 3 Phase power is much more common in Europe. NACS does not support 3 Phase power, and as a result, is not that common in Europe.

3 phase is very common in the US. Most single family houses don't have it, everything else is likely to have it. For chargers 3 phase gains nothing. For induction motors 3 phase is useful - but in the modern world even where you have 3 phase you often will run the power through a VFC just so you get control of RPM. For a few other things 3 phase is nice because there is always one phase that isn't near zero to draw p…

Theoretically perhaps, but practically, most single phase AC EV chargers on Europe/Australia etc. are only 7 kW but 3-phase are 11 or 22 kW (both 7 kW and 22 kW are about 30 A per phase, but three phase you obviously have three of them, so three times the power!). That’s not “gaining nothing”!

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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So there is actually a technical reason here. NACS isn't a thing in Europe because 3 Phase power is much more common in Europe. NACS does not support 3 Phase power, and as a result, is not that common in Europe.

3 phase is very common in the US. Most single family houses don't have it, everything else is likely to have it. For chargers 3 phase gains nothing. For induction motors 3 phase is useful - but in the modern world even where you have 3 phase you often will run the power through a VFC just so you get control of RPM. For a few other things 3 phase is nice because there is always one phase that isn't near zero to draw p…

3 phases give you 3x the power for only 2x the amount of copper

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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I think people are missing the big story here. This is Tesla winning the charging network battle (it wasn't close before this). Any EV car (which will eventually be all cars) will immediately be available for Tesla's supercharger network. This gives Tesla a massive revenue stream and scale to grow that network even bigger. Anyone who wants their superchargers has to also support all Teslas.

But it also takes away Tesla's biggest advantage, no? The charging network was a big reason to buy a tesla and now that's gone.

So perhaps they will actually end up losing more revenue than gaining.

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

#65
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Which countries have landed men on the moon using garbage standards? Which countries have landed men on the moon using your preferred standards?

Any country can land on the moon after spending the same amount of money and effort as the US; intelligence and talent are abundant, existing in every nation and human being.

> Any country can land on the moon after spending the same amount of money and effort as the US

Objectively false in so many domains. Americans aren’t smarter than other people. But we are very good at organising resources for novel pursuits.

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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3 phase is very common in the US. Most single family houses don't have it, everything else is likely to have it. For chargers 3 phase gains nothing. For induction motors 3 phase is useful - but in the modern world even where you have 3 phase you often will run the power through a VFC just so you get control of RPM. For a few other things 3 phase is nice because there is always one phase that isn't near zero to draw p…

Theoretically perhaps, but practically, most single phase AC EV chargers on Europe/Australia etc. are only 7 kW but 3-phase are 11 or 22 kW (both 7 kW and 22 kW are about 30 A per phase, but three phase you obviously have three of them, so three times the power!). That’s not “gaining nothing”!

While sometimes you get more power on 3 phase, that is only about the size of the feed and nothing to do with 3 phase.

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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Which countries have landed men on the moon using garbage standards? Which countries have landed men on the moon using your preferred standards?

As an American veteran I'll point out that like the space program the US military use metric units

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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Stellantis are the only remaining holdout. It seems inevitable they'll jump on board too.

If they are the last domino, they also have the worst negotiation position. Whatever number Tesla says will be their cost.

Not really, last thing Tesla wants is antitrust oversight for monopolistic practice.

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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Stop misleading people. The opposite is happening. Tesla is opening their network to other brands. Ford and a few other car makers have already agreed. In new cars made from 2025, you can go to the only properly working charging network, plug in the car, and leave with no credit card hustle. Basically, like Tesla had forever. It's a shame other brands didn't adopt a much better Tesla adapter as a standard. It's much…

> Tesla is opening their network to other brands. By implementing CCS. How do you think it works in Europe right now? They all use CCS, both cars and chargers. Tesla included.

NACS is protocol agnostic. Cars in Europe have different plugs.

Tesla will use their protocol and support CCS on chargers.

What Tesla offers to other brands in North America is much more advanced.

New cars will be able to see on the map how many stalls are available etc.

Payments integration etc.

It's a far more deeper integration and I guess that's the real big deal that needs to be standardized.

Tesla got the best-in-class charging experience, and finally, in 1 year, other brands can have somewhat matching capabilities.

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