...in America. Europe here quite nicely standardising on CCS2.
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Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug
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#53Stellantis are the only remaining holdout. It seems inevitable they'll jump on board too.
If they are the last domino, they also have the worst negotiation position. Whatever number Tesla says will be their cost.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
When people talk about standardizing the charge port they’re talking about the shape of the port not the protocol. Tesla has supported the CCS protocol for years now. The Tesla port is vastly superior to the CCS type 1 port. They should get credit for making it an open standard.
Yes, people aren't aware of what's happening. That's a consequence of lazy reporting. Tesla's charging standard is being dropped and CCS will be used by everyone. It's a shame North America still has years of plug incompatibilities and adapter fiddling to look forward to. Europe really got EV charging standardization right. The European EV infrastructure is much further advanced than the North American infrastructure…
Stop misleading people.
The opposite is happening. Tesla is opening their network to other brands. Ford and a few other car makers have already agreed. In new cars made from 2025, you can go to the only properly working charging network, plug in the car, and leave with no credit card hustle. Basically, like Tesla had forever.
It's a shame other brands didn't adopt a much better Tesla adapter as a standard. It's much more convenient and light.
I've seen how adapters work; they work badly and are glitchy. So, if someone buys a car with an old port in 2024, they will start to see lots of pain in 2025.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, people aren't aware of what's happening. That's a consequence of lazy reporting. Tesla's charging standard is being dropped and CCS will be used by everyone. It's a shame North America still has years of plug incompatibilities and adapter fiddling to look forward to. Europe really got EV charging standardization right. The European EV infrastructure is much further advanced than the North American infrastructure…
Stop misleading people. The opposite is happening. Tesla is opening their network to other brands. Ford and a few other car makers have already agreed. In new cars made from 2025, you can go to the only properly working charging network, plug in the car, and leave with no credit card hustle. Basically, like Tesla had forever. It's a shame other brands didn't adopt a much better Tesla adapter as a standard. It's much…
> Tesla is opening their network to other brands.
By implementing CCS. How do you think it works in Europe right now? They all use CCS, both cars and chargers. Tesla included.
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Which countries have landed men on the moon using garbage standards? Which countries have landed men on the moon using your preferred standards?
Which countries have lost spacecraft due to problems entirely attributable to the use of imperial units?
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#57I think people are missing the big story here. This is Tesla winning the charging network battle (it wasn't close before this). Any EV car (which will eventually be all cars) will immediately be available for Tesla's supercharger network. This gives Tesla a massive revenue stream and scale to grow that network even bigger. Anyone who wants their superchargers has to also support all Teslas.
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The real mistake was the standards group that looked at Tesla's connector in the US and CCS Combo 2 in Europe and decided the best connector for North America was CCS Combo 1 with an external latching mechanism to be backwards compatible with the handful of J-1772 low power chargers that existed at the time. In order to avoid separate ports for AC and DC charging, or a simple adapter that only needed to handle low po…
That plug was never proprietary.
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#59Other Audi EV news: "Audi puts big EV push on the back burner" https://electrek.co/2023/12/19/audi-puts-big-ev-push-on-the-...
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3 phase is very common in the US. Most single family houses don't have it, everything else is likely to have it. For chargers 3 phase gains nothing. For induction motors 3 phase is useful - but in the modern world even where you have 3 phase you often will run the power through a VFC just so you get control of RPM. For a few other things 3 phase is nice because there is always one phase that isn't near zero to draw p…
3 phase typically has 400V between the phases and neutral in Europe, the phases don't gain you anything, but the voltage does.
Pretty sure residential 3-phase in Europe is 400V phase-to-phase, it's 220V phase-to-neutral.