Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

Post by clouddrover » Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 4:12 PM UTC

SEJeff wrote: post #33

clouddrover wrote: post #23

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Yes, people aren't aware of what's happening. That's a consequence of lazy reporting. Tesla's charging standard is being dropped and CCS will be used by everyone. It's a shame North America still has years of plug incompatibilities and adapter fiddling to look forward to. Europe really got EV charging standardization right. The European EV infrastructure is much further advanced than the North American infrastructure…

> It's a shame North America still has years of plug incompatibilities and adapter fiddling Not really, Tesla has over 24k charging stalls in the US. The second biggest is Electrify America, and they have only 3,800 charging stalls. There really aren't a lot of EV chargers that are non-tesla in the US, unlike the EU.

Post by kwhitefoot » Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 4:13 PM UTC

valine wrote: post #17

clouddrover wrote: post #6

> Volkswagen Group, which also owns Audi, Porsche, and Scout Motors, is finally doing what nearly every other automaker has already done: announce its intention to adopt Tesla’s electric vehicle charging standard. The reporting around this has been so poor. NACS is CCS with Tesla's plug on the end. What's happening is that CCS has won the EV charging protocol wars, Tesla's plug is being standardized as CCS type 3 (ak…

When people talk about standardizing the charge port they’re talking about the shape of the port not the protocol. Tesla has supported the CCS protocol for years now. The Tesla port is vastly superior to the CCS type 1 port. They should get credit for making it an open standard.

Post by jankeymeulen » Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 4:14 PM UTC

bluGill wrote: post #29

SEJeff wrote: post #19

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So there is actually a technical reason here. NACS isn't a thing in Europe because 3 Phase power is much more common in Europe. NACS does not support 3 Phase power, and as a result, is not that common in Europe.

3 phase is very common in the US. Most single family houses don't have it, everything else is likely to have it. For chargers 3 phase gains nothing. For induction motors 3 phase is useful - but in the modern world even where you have 3 phase you often will run the power through a VFC just so you get control of RPM. For a few other things 3 phase is nice because there is always one phase that isn't near zero to draw p…

Post by thiago_fm » Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 4:14 PM UTC

SEJeff wrote: post #24

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Which countries have landed men on the moon using garbage standards? Which countries have landed men on the moon using your preferred standards?

Post by thiago_fm » Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 4:16 PM UTC

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thiago_fm wrote: post #18

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The real mistake was the standards group that looked at Tesla's connector in the US and CCS Combo 2 in Europe and decided the best connector for North America was CCS Combo 1 with an external latching mechanism to be backwards compatible with the handful of J-1772 low power chargers that existed at the time. In order to avoid separate ports for AC and DC charging, or a simple adapter that only needed to handle low po…