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Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by dkersten »

taylodl wrote: post #219
dkersten wrote: post #182

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No, they can still vet, just doing so would make them less money. That is their problem, not yours or mine. If they can’t figure out a way to vet at scale, then they don’t deserve that scale. Most of us could be more profitable if we decided to act unethically or illegally. Serving scam adverts (and my YouTube and Google adverts appear to be substantially more scam than not) is Alphabet saying they care more about pr…

> That is their problem, not yours or mine. Wrong - if Google can't make the money they need on YouTube then it's our problem. They'll need to run more ads and they'll take more draconian measures to ensure you can't block their ads. You can better believe they'll further monetize their efforts by selling the needed tech to other web sites. We all lose in that scenario.

They don’t have to make massive stacks of profit. They are choosing to unethically profit from people being scammed, because it makes them more money. They don’t need to make more money. Alphabet make 60 Billion USD in profit in 2022.

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Post by randomdata »

simiones wrote: post #300
randomdata wrote: post #298

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When you sit down and go over the reports and give direction with your employee each week, it should stand out pretty clearly if they are not doing their job. No different than any other organization where you hire employees. Cities and countries are not somehow magically different. Of course, you don't just vote for the employee you like and never speak to them again. That would be just plain silly. Being the boss d…

So how do you tell if your representatives are doing their job as promised, without reading (online, in print, on TV/Radio) about news from the local area? You could look at their reports, but how do you know if their reports are true?

1. You can read the local news (online, in print, on TV/Radio), but how do you know it is providing true and relevant information?

2. If you cannot establish enough trust with the employee you are choosing to hire, why are you selecting anyone? If you are going to do the work yourself, why not do the work yourself?

3. As before, there is nothing special about cities and countries when as compared to any other organization. If you have a widget factory, how do you ensure that your hired engineers are designing widgets that meet your expectations and requirements? Do you simply push them aside and design the widgets yourself in case what they designed wasn't up to snuff?

Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by tsimionescu »

randomdata wrote: post #302
simiones wrote: post #300

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So how do you tell if your representatives are doing their job as promised, without reading (online, in print, on TV/Radio) about news from the local area? You could look at their reports, but how do you know if their reports are true?

1. You can read the local news (online, in print, on TV/Radio), but how do you know it is providing true and relevant information? 2. If you cannot establish enough trust with the employee you are choosing to hire, why are you selecting anyone? If you are going to do the work yourself, why not do the work yourself? 3. As before, there is nothing special about cities and countries when as compared to any other organiz…

1. I don't 100%, but video evidence and multiple sources helps a lot.

2. Managers typically have a handful of direct reports that they can check and trust. Also, managers can fire their employees on the spot, reduce their pay etc. You have nowhere near that level of control over your representatives, and you have many more representatives than any normal manager has direct reports.

3. While I trust my direct reports and employees, I very much occasionally verify that their work is being done. I don't need to design a widget myself: I can find out if the widget works or not by checking how well it holds up, what the QA department finds and so on.

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Post by pixl97 »

pixl97 wrote: post #278
memish wrote: post #143

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This applies to discussion too. For instance, how many Reddit comments are bots? With the extreme groupthink present there, it wouldn't be a huge shock if it already makes up over half of the comments in popular subs.

I don't even have an account on Reddit these days, but still view it regularly. On the popular subs if you read at least half the posts (not comments) you'll see "Op is a bot that reposts content". They typically have some algorithm that digs up old popular posts that haven't been posted in a while and reposted them. With the number of people complaining they are reposted crap I have my doubts their initial upvotes l…

https://medium.com/collapsenews/new-study-at-least-15-of-all...

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Post by everdrive »

int_19h wrote: post #181
RecycledEle wrote: post #80

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> Even when people know an image is fake, it still seems to be able to sway them. Yes, this has been happening for a long time. This is why fiction literature exists. If images we know are fake could not move our emotions, nobody would have ever laughed at a cartoon.

I don't think OP meant "sway" in that sense. One thing that I'm increasingly seeing is when you point a fake out to a person, and they just shrug and say, "okay, so this one was fake, but it's still a good illustration of how things are in general , so what's the problem?".

Thanks for the clarification here -- this precisely what I meant. You put it very well.

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Post by randomdata »

tsimionescu wrote: post #303
randomdata wrote: post #302

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1. You can read the local news (online, in print, on TV/Radio), but how do you know it is providing true and relevant information? 2. If you cannot establish enough trust with the employee you are choosing to hire, why are you selecting anyone? If you are going to do the work yourself, why not do the work yourself? 3. As before, there is nothing special about cities and countries when as compared to any other organiz…

1. I don't 100%, but video evidence and multiple sources helps a lot. 2. Managers typically have a handful of direct reports that they can check and trust. Also, managers can fire their employees on the spot, reduce their pay etc. You have nowhere near that level of control over your representatives, and you have many more representatives than any normal manager has direct reports. 3. While I trust my direct reports…

> I don't 100%, but video evidence and multiple sources helps a lot.

Then have your worker collect video evidence and information from multiple sources to have on hand when you need greater assurances. You're the boss. They're simply there to relieve you from having to do the job yourself. It is reasonable to expect them to do the job like you would.

> you have many more representatives than any normal manager has direct reports.

Government systems can differ, but typically you hire one employee for any one government that you oversee. It is likely that you are in charge of a few governments (e.g. federal, state, municipal), but unlikely more than a small handful. It would be quite unusual for a manager to have fewer direct reports in an organization of any meaningful size.

> You have nowhere near that level of control over your representatives

You most certainly do as long as you have the rest of the board on your side. Finding consensus with the board may be a challenge, but that's true of any organization. The sitting board at the widget factory isn't bowing to your every wish either.

> While I trust my direct reports and employees, I very much occasionally verify that their work is being done.

So why not do the same with the employee you hire to watch over political matters?

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Post by darkerside »

arp242 wrote: post #227
darkerside wrote: post #217

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Which also happens with tons of user generated content on the Internet, case in point, this thread

But with user generated content like this thread other people can criticize each other and discuss things. If someone is spectacularly wrong then chances are that will be pointed out. ChatGPT is essentially an echo chamber between you and ChatGPT.

That's a personal problem, not a technology problem. If you let yourself be brainwashed by your weird uncle, alt news, or ChatGPT, that's gotta be on you.

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Post by tsimionescu »

randomdata wrote: post #306
tsimionescu wrote: post #303

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1. I don't 100%, but video evidence and multiple sources helps a lot. 2. Managers typically have a handful of direct reports that they can check and trust. Also, managers can fire their employees on the spot, reduce their pay etc. You have nowhere near that level of control over your representatives, and you have many more representatives than any normal manager has direct reports. 3. While I trust my direct reports…

> I don't 100%, but video evidence and multiple sources helps a lot. Then have your worker collect video evidence and information from multiple sources to have on hand when you need greater assurances. You're the boss. They're simply there to relieve you from having to do the job yourself. It is reasonable to expect them to do the job like you would. > you have many more representatives than any normal manager has di…

Again, I don't trust politicians, and I have good reason not to. You need multiple sources of information to corroborate in any setting you care about.

Plus, while it's true that in some government systems you only vote for a specific person, in many others you vote for a political party, and they allocate people as needed and according to the total votes they got. I think this system is far more common than the other one, and it is the system I live in (for parliament and town councils - it's true that for presidential and mayoral elections you vote for a single person).

Finally, having "a board" of some 2 million or 20 million or 200 million people is entirely different from having a board of 10. And then, social media is exactly one of the ways I can collaborate with my other "board members" at this scale.

Already if I'm a board member and not a manager, then much of your metaphors die away: active board members absolutely do more than read reports from their CEO, they read newspapers and watch analysts talk about their business. They don't rely entirely on the CEO for info on how the business is doing. And I have yet to see a company led by 200 co-CEOs, each chosen by a different board - and yet this is how must countries operate. It's almost like democratic countries are a totally different kind of organization than autocratic companies, and require totally different means of interaction.

In addition, CEOs are legally liable if they lie to their boards about the state of the business. Politicians are very much entirely protected for any and all things they say to the public about their activity. Your mayor could publicly tell you that they have paved your own driveway with gold and that they are increasing taxes to pay for the maintenance of that gold that doesn't exist, and it would be completely legal for them to do so.

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Post by arp242 »

darkerside wrote: post #307
arp242 wrote: post #227

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But with user generated content like this thread other people can criticize each other and discuss things. If someone is spectacularly wrong then chances are that will be pointed out. ChatGPT is essentially an echo chamber between you and ChatGPT.

That's a personal problem, not a technology problem. If you let yourself be brainwashed by your weird uncle, alt news, or ChatGPT, that's gotta be on you.

"Brainwashed" is a hugely extremist scenario.

The point is that if I ask about topics I don't know about, then by definition I can't judge what is or isn't true. That is also the case on HN where I'm reading a discussion about a topic I don't know about, but that on HN there are some signals such as votes and replies to comments, whereas on ChatGPT there are no external signals. Is this perfect? Of course not. Does it usually work kind of okay? I'd say it does.

For books or sites or most things these signals exist too; I can look up what others have said about it.

Even your uncle at a birthday party has some controls because other family members can call him out on hos bullshit, or they can later tell "psst, what Jack told you is a load of rubbish", or whatever.

There is no "generic review" of ChatGPT because it tells every single person someone else. There is no shared content we're both looking at.

ChatGPT very much works in a substantially different way than most other public sources of information.

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Post by darkerside »

arp242 wrote: post #309
darkerside wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a personal problem, not a technology problem. If you let yourself be brainwashed by your weird uncle, alt news, or ChatGPT, that's gotta be on you.

"Brainwashed" is a hugely extremist scenario. The point is that if I ask about topics I don't know about, then by definition I can't judge what is or isn't true. That is also the case on HN where I'm reading a discussion about a topic I don't know about, but that on HN there are some signals such as votes and replies to comments, whereas on ChatGPT there are no external signals. Is this perfect? Of course not. Does i…

> For books or sites or most things these signals exist too; I can look up what others have said about it.

That's no different from ChatGPT. The control on books at least is a publisher, but that is not really the case for a website. That's why fake news is a real issue.

And your uncle may talk to you in private. Or maybe it's your parents around the family dinner table. There are many sources of dangerous misinformation, not just ChatGPT.

Education and critical thinking is the real solution.

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