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Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by Dolototo »

dkersten wrote: post #182
reustle wrote: post #114

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You eventually get to a scale where vetting is near impossible. Paying for premium brings them closer to a state where they don’t need advertising at all.

No, they can still vet, just doing so would make them less money. That is their problem, not yours or mine. If they can’t figure out a way to vet at scale, then they don’t deserve that scale. Most of us could be more profitable if we decided to act unethically or illegally. Serving scam adverts (and my YouTube and Google adverts appear to be substantially more scam than not) is Alphabet saying they care more about pr…

Dude...

YT is cheap like hell.

It has one of the most diverse high quality content I know.

Way of entry for producers/creators is tremendously low.

YT löst a lot of money for years.

If we are not even able to pay 12$ / month for YT what do you want? Everything for free adfree?

Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by kromem »

Syonyk wrote: post #179
CSMastermind wrote: post #95

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IMO one of the main things ChatGPT offers is the ability to interact with the knowledge of the internet without wading through ads and SEO spam.

It certainly sounds like it's doing that. Though if you're an expert in a subject you ask it about, you can see when it transitions from "knowledge of the subject" to "Your uncle who made a living hustling pool and can tell a story made of nothing but whoppers of lies, sounding like the most honest person you've ever met." It's reasonable to assume it does the same thing over subjects you know less about.

It's really bizarre we ended up with the largest LLM deployment being around something it really doesn't do that well at (knowledge retrieval).

Hopefully soon we'll see it reading the story itself, stripping out irrelevant ads/SEO, and summarizing it.

I actually have a dream of one day going back to a flip phone where I'll get an AI call summarizing emails or messages that are important, as well as any relevant news stories where I can ask for more detail if needed.

The Internet is amazing, but honestly I don't know that the degree to which I personally engage with it is the ideal cost/benefit as opposed to using an intermediary.

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Post by araes »

philomath_mn wrote: post #15

I wonder if we will get to a point where the web is so saturated with this junk that the web itself starts to lose its luster. If AI can dream up a million impressive wood carvings, it seems like the real carving I saw in person is the only one that is actually interesting.

So much worse.

Luster? Huge portions of the Earth depend on the web as their only info source. News has turned into "somebody ran their mouth on (the symbol formerly known as Twitter)."

Also, utterly false news: https://arstechnica.com/ai/2023/12/these-ai-generated-news-a... The comments are disturbing "I always suspected Anderson Cooper and Lisa Ling were computer generated."

Also, you might not be able to read this, because I might already be shadow / hell / heaven banned. (A 2012 update to Hacker News introduced a system of "hellbanning") https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_banning Far too easy to write a script that says if( [user] ) then ( "hide" ).

Also, if you can, we might just live in a ban circle together. Since all news in the future will be personalized based on your tracking pixel and router location. 'ChatGPT, write me a fake nightly news cast for "so and so" location.'

Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by chihuahua »

JAlexoid wrote: post #28
kimi wrote: post #11

Facebook has become a cesspool of clickbaits. Less that 1/3 of my feed is people I know (most of which quitted posting anything years ago) or groups I subscribed to - the rest is literally spam, as in meat that's been ground finely and repackaged in a thousands ways. The result is a general sense of nausea.

There is some config, where you set your feed to be your friends and similar. I use Facebook only because the town groups are all there. It's the local forum board, and barely anything else for me at this point.

Yeah, I haven't had this experience of FB showing me random stuff I didn't ask for. All I see is updates from my friends, and pages I explicitly joined (e.g. Raccoons, Cross Washington Mountain Bike Route, etc).

If there's annoying stuff on my feed, it's because of something I did, and can undo (e.g. unfollow someone who posts annoying stuff)

Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by smugglerFlynn »

miah_ wrote: post #53
wharvle wrote: post #33

And 100% of my YouTube ads are scams the last few weeks, many with deepfake fuckery going on. This whole side of the Web needs to be put down. The algo-feed ad-clearinghouse side. It’s a cesspit.

This right here is why we adblock. Google needs to wake up and do something if they really want to stop people from using adblocks on Youtube, or their other properties.

This is like going back ~20 years and trying to stop publishers from placing shady ads in cheap yellow papers.

The internet is just a medium, and Facebook / YouTube are just mass platforms filled with people who click on these ads.

But YouTube specifically has built-in segmentation that allows to skip this whole cesspit, it is called YouTube Premium. Same way you would skip yellow papers at kiosk and spend money on better press twenty years ago. (afaik Facebook was recently forced to introduce similar [half-baked] subscription model due to local EU regulations.)

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Post by frogpelt »

pjc50 wrote: post #74
miah_ wrote: post #53

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This right here is why we adblock. Google needs to wake up and do something if they really want to stop people from using adblocks on Youtube, or their other properties.

They did do something: they blocked people using adblockers. Really we need some body like the UK ASA to say "you're liable for all these frauds, Google".

Really? So the advertising agency would have an Investigation Unit that makes sure the companies aren't scams before allowing them to advertise?

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Post by beej71 »

BoxOfRain wrote: post #71
philomath_mn wrote: post #15

I wonder if we will get to a point where the web is so saturated with this junk that the web itself starts to lose its luster. If AI can dream up a million impressive wood carvings, it seems like the real carving I saw in person is the only one that is actually interesting.

I definitely think authenticity or at least perceived authenticity will become more important in the future. There's a reason vacuum tubes are still produced industrially for guitarists and HiFi enthusiasts despite being over half a century obsolete and it's because despite digital modelling being just better from an engineering perspective people value the perceived authenticity of the real thing. I'm drawing up pla…

I've been listening to live recordings on Internet Archive for a bit after listening to only highly-produced music for years. There's something refreshingly human about it.

I guess AIs could always be made to emulate that, but it seems it could make legitimately human stuff have higher value. Sharing with your friend a bootleg live recording that you made might be a greater gift.

I could certainly imagine digitally-signed material from human artists, as well. Maybe I'm just old, but when I'm consuming some kind of art, I want to know that thinking, feeling humans were behind it. If I just want to look at pretty pictures, AI is fine.

And I am actually old, because I'm already put off the modern web. :) HN-style websites are just my speed.

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Post by coffeecantcode »

int_19h wrote: post #181
RecycledEle wrote: post #80

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> Even when people know an image is fake, it still seems to be able to sway them. Yes, this has been happening for a long time. This is why fiction literature exists. If images we know are fake could not move our emotions, nobody would have ever laughed at a cartoon.

I don't think OP meant "sway" in that sense. One thing that I'm increasingly seeing is when you point a fake out to a person, and they just shrug and say, "okay, so this one was fake, but it's still a good illustration of how things are in general , so what's the problem?".

The same argument being made when you tell them certain apps that they use are full of spyware:

“Okay, I don’t care, I have nothing to hide.”

Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by coffeecantcode »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #68
I_Am_Nous wrote: post #25

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I wish we could get other people to agree, the internet was great until it started leaking out into real life and affecting day to day existence. The internet is a meta-reality that keeps asserting itself into our perceived reality and convinces people it should be paid attention to.

The internet is a reflection of reality, and mirrors are useful things - as long as not too many of them are fetched from a funhouse.

Nothing to add, just wanted to say this was very well put.

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Post by Nasrudith »

jshen wrote: post #126
miah_ wrote: post #53

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This right here is why we adblock. Google needs to wake up and do something if they really want to stop people from using adblocks on Youtube, or their other properties.

The solution is paying for content, but it's been shown over and over again that the vast majority of people won't pay for most of the content they consume.

Paying for it has added consideration "costs" of commitment and calls for more checking out before watching it if it would be worth it or not. Viewers come easier when they can try before they buy and the quality threshold for "would pay money for" is much higher than "would pretend to pay attention to ads for". Not paying for content thus has less friction to it.
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