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Re: Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase

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Post by hutzlibu »

neoromantique wrote: post #84
hutzlibu wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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After full scale invasion support of Bandera increased because he was vocal proponent of independent Ukraine, not because he was a nazi collaborator. It is an argument in bad faith to cite him as a marker of support for 'neo-nazism' in Ukraine, doubly so during time when adversary is coming and is very open about stripping you of your national identity, language and history.

Well, we have sort of the same debate in germany, where people want to praise Hitler, because he build the Autobahn and because he ended mass unemployment. But it is still Hitler we are talking about and consensus is, the holocaust weights stronger - and Bandera was literally involved in it all, so for me the same metric should apply.

And about Asow - what I can say for certain is, that we have some very hardcore Neonazis here in town - and they are literally friends and strongly connected with the Azow people - that's kind of all I have to know about them. But I do know more - and it is not good. Those guys aren't fighting for democracy.

Re: Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase

#92

Post by vshymanskyy »

skinkestek wrote: post #88
vshymanskyy wrote: post #18

OP here, ready to answer questions

Not a question, only my best wishes as an early NAFO member. You are in my thoughts, and not only: I have also been donating, flagging trolls, countering misinformation, encouraged politicians and done what I can but I still owe your people. I feel I can admit this here without feeling I am bragging since this account is anonymous and will stay so. My goal by saying it is to say you are bit alone and also hopefully t…

I admire what you're doing! Ukraine still stands because of you and people like you.

Be sure, that despite having a destroyed house and maintaining Wasm3 I'm still resourceful enough to:

- donate money

- donate skills

- coordinate multiple mil-tech research groups

- run own business

- raise 2 kids

- ...

Cheers!

Re: Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase

#93

Post by mdavid626 »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #80
mdavid626 wrote: post #74

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Of course in our “freedom of speech” democratic western culture you can’t say this. How dare you? Ukraine on its own can’t win this war. Russia has way more reserves, people and resources. Not even talking about nuclear weapons. Do you really think Russia will accept losing this war? A nuclear superpower? Last resort they can send some nukes. So, why continue sending more weapons and money to a war which if escalates…

There is no way Russia lets off nukes in Ukraine or around this issue. They would have done so already if they were that stupid. It would be completely mutually assured destruction, assuming their nukes even work. Not to mention Russian civilians are downwind from Ukraine anyways. Radiation fallout would poison the entire region. Even the use of a "tactical" nuke or chemical weapons would be a red line that NATO woul…

This is exactly what the problem is. If you don’t agree with the mainstream “save Ukraine” mantra, then you “fell for Russian propaganda”. The only accepted opinion is to fight at all costs. Nothing else is accepted. How is this democratic? I’m not for Russia, nor against, but don’t support of killing even more people. If there would be freedom of speech, then you could discuss this openly and publicly. I believe in Russia you can also post on the internet, at least anonymously. There is the right way (pro Ukraine) and the wrong way. Why? So, how exactly will Ukraine win this war? And at what cost? How would Russia accept losing? I believe you don’t have an answer.

Re: Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase

#94

Post by pjmlp »

galangalalgol wrote: post #87
knorker wrote: post #50

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I guess the field I was imagining was greener than that. But yes. In many cases you can just interface to the C libraries. But cross language coding has never been perfect, and yes, sometimes it's better to continue using the same language. It's not hard to write an RAII wrapper around a C library, and the careful allocate/free is code you have to write either way (e.g. I'd write a wrapper in C++ if I need to use a C…

So many of the CVEs against rust crates are actually against the bindings for things like ssl, glibc, and libcurl. I think accepting small growing subsets of ssl and curl for native implementation would be a good idea. And relibc too I suppose. Go went this route, and while it caused some headaches porting to new kernels, it has lots of benefits too.

Go has had to rollback on that decision.

Rust while much safer, also needs care if any crate makes use of unsafe, even in pure Rust.

https://thesquareplanet.com/blog/the-story-of-a-rust-bug/

Yes it is in the libc bindings, but the logic error is on Rust side.

Re: Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase

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Post by neoromantique »

hutzlibu wrote: post #91
neoromantique wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After full scale invasion support of Bandera increased because he was vocal proponent of independent Ukraine, not because he was a nazi collaborator. It is an argument in bad faith to cite him as a marker of support for 'neo-nazism' in Ukraine, doubly so during time when adversary is coming and is very open about stripping you of your national identity, language and history.

Well, we have sort of the same debate in germany, where people want to praise Hitler, because he build the Autobahn and because he ended mass unemployment. But it is still Hitler we are talking about and consensus is, the holocaust weights stronger - and Bandera was literally involved in it all, so for me the same metric should apply. And about Asow - what I can say for certain is, that we have some very hardcore Neo…

You are clearly not arguing in good faith. Comparing Bandera to Hitler is utterly ridiculous, and I am Jewish myself, so I'm not exactly standing in line to protect UPA/Bandera.

Regarding Azov, I am native Russian speaker with many friends from Ukraine, there are legitimately orgs/groups that you can call out for being open nazis, but if all you can do is comment on Azov in 2023 then you are simply delusional or misled by Russian propaganda, I'm sorry.

Re: Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase

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Post by vshymanskyy »

szundi wrote: post #89
actionfromafar wrote: post #4

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Ouch. That house needs a new roof ASAP to halt the rain and snow.

Probably needs walls and windows too.

Undoubtedly. The building itself needs to be deconstructed (as we found out later)

Re: Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase

#97

Post by pjmlp »

knorker wrote: post #50
pjmlp wrote: post #40

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There are plenty of greenfield use cases where Rust will need to bind to existing C and C++ libraries.

I guess the field I was imagining was greener than that. But yes. In many cases you can just interface to the C libraries. But cross language coding has never been perfect, and yes, sometimes it's better to continue using the same language. It's not hard to write an RAII wrapper around a C library, and the careful allocate/free is code you have to write either way (e.g. I'd write a wrapper in C++ if I need to use a C…

Just use bindings isn't always as easy.

It depends on the company, the team skills, the tools they are used to have, the difference when moving into Rust, eg CUDA in C++ with NSight and Visual Studio plugins from NVidia, versus Rust.

Re: Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase

#98

Post by filoleg »

hutzlibu wrote: post #76
chx wrote: post #75

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> Neonazism does indeed enjoy broad support there. This is a lie The very Wikipedia you linked > Bandera remains a highly controversial figure in Ukraine. And once Azov got integrated into the army it shed its neonazi members. This is how propaganda works: take a kernel of truth and spin a whole tapestry of lies out of it People are not cardboard cutouts. We do not boycott Ford cards because Henry Ford was a nazi sym…

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On your point B: is it surprising to you that favorable views for a controversial public figure from the past known specifically for fighting against russian forces and for being extremely pro-Ukraine went significantly up in a year after Russia invaded Ukraine and forced ukrainians defend against them?

No matter how controversial Bandera’s ties to nazis were, I am almost certain that his recent rise in popularity is motivated primarily by the pro-ukrainian national identity part and not the pro-nazi part. Enemy of my enemy can be a useful ally at the moment, and all.

Re: Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase

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Post by vshymanskyy »

ponector wrote: post #83
delfinom wrote: post #25

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Those weren't "ethnic Russians", but rather their Dagestan colony which is quite Islamic and well, they obviously follow the same outrage news cycles hating on jews. Russia is a giant patchwork of colonies being held together by strongmen and the "ethnic Russians" more or less drain and extract the resources of every minority and send the money all to themselves in Moscow and St Petersburg.

They are the same Russians as others, thousands of them are killing Ukrainians right now, for money mostly. Promise to get paid 2000$ per month is enough motivation to go to the other country thousands of kilometers away from their home and kill everyone there and probably die.

True

Re: Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase

#100

Post by LanzVonL »

skinkestek wrote: post #88
vshymanskyy wrote: post #18

OP here, ready to answer questions

Not a question, only my best wishes as an early NAFO member. You are in my thoughts, and not only: I have also been donating, flagging trolls, countering misinformation, encouraged politicians and done what I can but I still owe your people. I feel I can admit this here without feeling I am bragging since this account is anonymous and will stay so. My goal by saying it is to say you are bit alone and also hopefully t…

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