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YouTube loses court battle over music clips

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Re: YouTube loses court battle over music clips

#21
I guess music in Germany is going to suck for the foreseeable future.

No matter, as long as I can still discover Scandinavian metal regularly, this court ruling won't affect me as I am not a fan of the Scorpions or David Hasselhoff.

Rammstein is ok though

http://youtu.be/Ef3zxiOaYgI

:)

Re: YouTube loses court battle over music clips

#22
As usual: This is a decision by a LG (Landgericht), it will surely go to the next higher court: OLG (Oberlandesgericht). In this special case it is a decision by the "LG Hamburg", famously known in Germany for its useless decisions in 'internet cases' that will be reverted by the next higher court. Nothing to see here, people. Move on. :)

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#23
post #8

[inflammatory comment] So following that logic car manufacturers are responsible for all the car accidents in history; its their users, they should check that the person is able and fit to use their service (car). It just makes me mad. It's just a bad precedent.

I'm probably in a very small minority here, but given that Google is making money by placing ads next to most YouTube content, then yes, perhaps they are responsible for determining who actually owns the content first.

Re: YouTube loses court battle over music clips

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post #22

As usual: This is a decision by a LG (Landgericht), it will surely go to the next higher court: OLG (Oberlandesgericht). In this special case it is a decision by the "LG Hamburg", famously known in Germany for its useless decisions in 'internet cases' that will be reverted by the next higher court. Nothing to see here, people. Move on. :)

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Re: YouTube loses court battle over music clips

#25
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Wow, this precedent covers much more than YouTube. If German courts will hold any such service accountable for what the users post, pretty much all widely used services are susceptible to suing.

Germany doesn't understand the internet from what I've seen. They're the country that legally requires you to post your full name, address and telephone number on your website. (search for "Impressum")

Re: YouTube loses court battle over music clips

#26

If Google wanted to make a big stink out of this, they could decide not to offer YouTube in Germany at all, citing the country's royalty laws as a reason it cannot operate viably there.

A stink? Shut down your business in the 4th biggest international market? Lose millions in revenue? Think those German clone crazy brothers wouldn't release DieTube.de the next day? Lose your dominant market share overnight. Good luck on still being the CEO the next day!

Depends if these royalties make it less profitable to run in Germany why should they continue and that clone site would get sued just as much.

Re: YouTube loses court battle over music clips

#27
post #23
post #8

[inflammatory comment] So following that logic car manufacturers are responsible for all the car accidents in history; its their users, they should check that the person is able and fit to use their service (car). It just makes me mad. It's just a bad precedent.

I'm probably in a very small minority here, but given that Google is making money by placing ads next to most YouTube content, then yes, perhaps they are responsible for determining who actually owns the content first.

They do and they share the revenues with companies that claim to own the copyright. They even check videos and proactively decide who the ad revenues should go too. Sometimes their fingerprinting tool does make mistake (thinking bird sounds are copyrighted music by some copyright troll was an example recently).

Re: YouTube loses court battle over music clips

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A stink? Shut down your business in the 4th biggest international market? Lose millions in revenue? Think those German clone crazy brothers wouldn't release DieTube.de the next day? Lose your dominant market share overnight. Good luck on still being the CEO the next day!

You make it seem a lot easier than it is. Youtube has tons of content, not specifically German, that I wager lots of Germans would like to watch. But your point comes across, all the same. It'd be really nice, if all the big tech companies could band together in favor of internet protection. I'm sure if Google, Wikipedia, Twitter, and Facebook (just to name a few) would say "we won't operate in any country that filte…

Internet protection?

You actually mean a copyrightless internet. That's never actually existed or everyone would still be using KaZaA.

YouTube got greedy, they got slapped. Good for Germany for actually doing this to an American monopoly. Big deal.

YouTube lied for too long about it being able too expensive to filter content. But now suddenly they can do it! And that now coincides almost exactly with when they started to want to justify injecting ads into everyone's videos.

We're still in the scenario where aggregators, Google, YouTube, are making money when the content creators aren't.

Re: YouTube loses court battle over music clips

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You make it seem a lot easier than it is. Youtube has tons of content, not specifically German, that I wager lots of Germans would like to watch. But your point comes across, all the same. It'd be really nice, if all the big tech companies could band together in favor of internet protection. I'm sure if Google, Wikipedia, Twitter, and Facebook (just to name a few) would say "we won't operate in any country that filte…

Internet protection? You actually mean a copyrightless internet. That's never actually existed or everyone would still be using KaZaA. YouTube got greedy, they got slapped. Good for Germany for actually doing this to an American monopoly. Big deal. YouTube lied for too long about it being able too expensive to filter content. But now suddenly they can do it! And that now coincides almost exactly with when they starte…

No, it's perfectly fine to enforce copyright. However, we have something called "due process of law" that should be applied.
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