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YouTube loses court battle over music clips

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Re: YouTube loses court battle over music clips

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If Google wanted to make a big stink out of this, they could decide not to offer YouTube in Germany at all, citing the country's royalty laws as a reason it cannot operate viably there.

A stink? Shut down your business in the 4th biggest international market? Lose millions in revenue?

Think those German clone crazy brothers wouldn't release DieTube.de the next day? Lose your dominant market share overnight.

Good luck on still being the CEO the next day!

Re: YouTube loses court battle over music clips

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is more than music videos on YouTube. I hope this will give a boost to free music.

That is true. But if a company like Google takes a stand against those ridiculous court orders, we get one step closer to freeing the internet from the oppression of the copyright industry.

Well they do take a stand in that they will censor the respective videos. The alternative would have been to pay up. Although I think the prices GEMA asks for are ridiculous and infeasible.

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I am from Germany and I am really embarassed by the stupidity in my country. Youtube should just disable its service for Germany. Grooveshark did the same. Everyone who is serious about the internet could enable the service anyway.

I'm sort of glad to see it's not just Italy that produces inane rulings regarding Youtube and posted content.

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[inflammatory comment] So following that logic car manufacturers are responsible for all the car accidents in history; its their users, they should check that the person is able and fit to use their service (car). It just makes me mad. It's just a bad precedent.

I'd argue that car manufacturers are indeed part responsible for car accidents.

Re: YouTube loses court battle over music clips

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If Google wanted to make a big stink out of this, they could decide not to offer YouTube in Germany at all, citing the country's royalty laws as a reason it cannot operate viably there.

A stink? Shut down your business in the 4th biggest international market? Lose millions in revenue? Think those German clone crazy brothers wouldn't release DieTube.de the next day? Lose your dominant market share overnight. Good luck on still being the CEO the next day!

You make it seem a lot easier than it is. Youtube has tons of content, not specifically German, that I wager lots of Germans would like to watch.

But your point comes across, all the same. It'd be really nice, if all the big tech companies could band together in favor of internet protection. I'm sure if Google, Wikipedia, Twitter, and Facebook (just to name a few) would say "we won't operate in any country that filters internet content", I'm sure we'd be seeing much less of these actions. I suppose though, that may spark antitrust.

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Another great example how the german court again and again tries to kill internet innovation with ridiculous stuff like this. Really hope this isnt the last word in the debate!

The next elections in Germany might bring a change as the German Priate Party is gaining more and more votes in the polls.

This could bring the change we all hope for.

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[inflammatory comment] So following that logic car manufacturers are responsible for all the car accidents in history; its their users, they should check that the person is able and fit to use their service (car). It just makes me mad. It's just a bad precedent.

This is the same as saying gun manufactures have liability in any murder committed with their product which many argue, they have not done enough to prevent the wrong people from getting firearms. But it is the wrong analogy. In sites like youtube, it is more like a property owner that rents a building and is aware of his tenants performing illegal activity on a regular basis. Which depending on the crimes and the amount of knowledge could make the property owner liable or even an accessory. But all of this leads to the same arguments and worthless discussion about semantics. The correct discussion is what value we place on media as a society. The easiest way to solve this is to stop supporting artists on major labels. Advances in technology have lowered the barrier to entry in recorded music to a widely attainable level. Artists trade the rights to their music to labels for the label's marketing and distribution. Now days, interesting things go viral with little to no marketing effort and there is no argument that the labels are decades behind in their distribution channels. Even if you wan to avoid iTunes or other services, It is relatively easy for a moderately tech savvy individual to push a digital album to S3 or the likes, link to it from a static site and serve millions of downloads. Could even get fancy and deploy a web store template from godaddy for taking payments. Yeah, it might take some learning but so does negotiating a 100 page recording contract... ask Aerosmith.

We can't keep bashing labels for defending/protecting their aging distribution channels. You can't blame a dog for acting like a dog. We can create truly disruptive new distribution channels with better terms for artists and go head to head with the labels.

Re: YouTube loses court battle over music clips

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I am from Germany and I am really embarassed by the stupidity in my country. Youtube should just disable its service for Germany. Grooveshark did the same. Everyone who is serious about the internet could enable the service anyway.

Could you give a little more insights as to why this is happening specifically in your country?
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