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Widespread FBI abuse of foreign spy law sets off "alarm bells," tech group says

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Re: Widespread FBI abuse of foreign spy law sets off "alarm bells," tech group says

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Post by brandensilva »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #33
dukeofdoom wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FBI is currently involved in the government effort trying to jail him for hundreds of years. Trump's lawyers can't even get an answer as to which government agencies are involved in his prosecution, so you know, so that they could subpoena to get evidence in his defence. It's not looking like these agencies will let Trump be president again, one way or another. Trump threatened to pull out of Nato, and pissed off a l…

Good. Trump deserves it for what he's done. If your implication is that Trump is somehow truly against the spooks, just remember how eager he was to deploy federal marshals to cities like Portland and Seattle to round up protestors. Look to his past comments about the spooks. Before he was on their shit-list, he would make comments like this: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-insists-...

On top of that with the leaked classified documents that Trump exposed that compromised the agents in the first place it is probably a good reason to keep tabs on him to make sure he isn't working with a foreign agent. He should receive all the same treatment as any other citizen of course but let's not pretend Trump is an angel. He's gotten himself into a lot of shit.

Re: Widespread FBI abuse of foreign spy law sets off "alarm bells," tech group says

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Post by insickness »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #14
ComputerGuru wrote: post #7

I can’t believe the reveal that FBI used section 702 to target January 6 participants wasn’t enough to get at least one faction in the House to vote against reauthorizing the bill last week. (I will play any card I can if it gets warrantless spying stopped.) I guess Big Brother trumps petty partisanship concerns. NYT had an article a few months ago (I submitted it here) attacking Republicans for turning against the F…

No republican will ever go against the spooks except if they are personally targeted by them (Trump). Even then, Trump wants a fanatically loyal group of spooks to act as his secret police. He's only temporarily against them. Your only options to vote for if you dislike mass surveillance are hard left progressives (Bernie Sanders, Ron Wyden) or libertarians (though the ones who run with the republicans are unreliable…

The Democrats have been cozying up with the "deep state" more than Republicans in the last decade. Look at the origin of the Russiagate hoax and all that followed.

Re: Widespread FBI abuse of foreign spy law sets off "alarm bells," tech group says

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Post by jongjong »

cdogl wrote: post #18
jongjong wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citizens are all slaves of one corporation or another so speaking their minds is not within their power. IMO, this is the most infuriating aspect about the censorship push of the past few years. They've already been suppressing freedom of speech using people's livelihoods as a covert form of blackmail... But that wasn't enough and so they had to break the pretense and engage is overt censorship. Literally everyone wh…

> Citizens are all slaves of one corporation or another so speaking their minds is not within their power. Speak for yourself! I work in the private sector and I can’t think of any way my speech is circumscribed by that - unless of course I tried to discuss politics in the workplace, which is simply frowned upon because it’s cringe.

Well of course you have complete free speech so long as it falls within approved narratives which support the status quo. Just wait until you start paying attention and begin to develop contrarian opinions, share them online anonymously (keep all these ideas online, never IRL), watch your real life career prospects mysteriously dwindle... Then we can talk about free speech.

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Post by happytiger »

pstuart wrote: post #25
happytiger wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The principles of the enlightenment underneath western civilization are… Higher power / natural law v Irrevocable natural rights of individuals v Revocable rights given to the state for the common good … We can revoke the government’s mandate to rule us at any time. I understand people may have forgotten, or don’t know or have the background to understand, or maybe even don’t care. But that doesn’t change anything ab…

A considerable catch is when revocation happens, what takes its place? Authoritarianism is looming in the US and elsewhere; I worry about the efforts to "burn down the corruption" being replanted with a new authoritarian replacement.

This is always the concern. Anyone who seriously studies social science shares this perspective with you.

But these changes don’t usually happen until we have atrociously difficult or insanely outrageous behavior from the government, or conditions that are incredibly poor. People don’t make these kinds of changes easily and will argue for the status quo until the very, very last opportunity generally. At that point it is an inevitability…

Still, worthy point.

Re: Widespread FBI abuse of foreign spy law sets off "alarm bells," tech group says

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Post by Der_Einzige »

insickness wrote: post #42
Der_Einzige wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No republican will ever go against the spooks except if they are personally targeted by them (Trump). Even then, Trump wants a fanatically loyal group of spooks to act as his secret police. He's only temporarily against them. Your only options to vote for if you dislike mass surveillance are hard left progressives (Bernie Sanders, Ron Wyden) or libertarians (though the ones who run with the republicans are unreliable…

The Democrats have been cozying up with the "deep state" more than Republicans in the last decade. Look at the origin of the Russiagate hoax and all that followed.

Wasn't a hoax, opinion discarded into the trash where it belongs.

Re: Widespread FBI abuse of foreign spy law sets off "alarm bells," tech group says

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Post by dukeofdoom »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #33
dukeofdoom wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FBI is currently involved in the government effort trying to jail him for hundreds of years. Trump's lawyers can't even get an answer as to which government agencies are involved in his prosecution, so you know, so that they could subpoena to get evidence in his defence. It's not looking like these agencies will let Trump be president again, one way or another. Trump threatened to pull out of Nato, and pissed off a l…

Good. Trump deserves it for what he's done. If your implication is that Trump is somehow truly against the spooks, just remember how eager he was to deploy federal marshals to cities like Portland and Seattle to round up protestors. Look to his past comments about the spooks. Before he was on their shit-list, he would make comments like this: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-insists-...

I think where you are off track is that you don't realize that the Floyd protests were headed by people working directly with the spooks, just like the J6 protests. Perhaps why spooks get involved, to derail these things.

I don't know if either of the protests accomplished anything, as populist causes.

It's still a 50/50 what Floyd actually died from, since there were multiple contributing medical factors. Billions in economic damages from the looting/shut downs during the protests in these cities, something like 20+ were killed during the riots. The police are still funded.

Despite his rhetoric, in hindsight, Trump was politically savvy enough not to take the bait and send in the army to restore order. Which Miley was Chomping at the Bit to refuse. Trump would be in a prison cell today at best.

The J6 protest, turned into riot and delegitimized Trumps legitimate claims of election irregularities. No meaningful signature check has been done to this day.

Trump is currently beating Biden in polls, so he might be back.

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