Now its time to add a new article to Wikipedia with those original phrases and words rearranged to talk about something totally different, and then debate which one is the real Ship of Theseus article.
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#52Without the walled garden: https://wikis.world/@wikipedia/111587024591220062
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#53Is this an important metric? I’d imagine a lot of articles across Wikipedia change over time and barely resemble the original article… which is a huge benefit, as opposed to printed encyclopaedias All that matters is that the content is factually accurate, which this seems to be
It’s not an important metric, but relates quite strongly to the content of the article…
Its importance is contextual. Semantically, if the replacement text says the same things, it has less importance than if the replacement text understood to meaning says something different: one is just "we liked saying it better this way" and the other is "we changed our mind(s)" -they aren't the same.
The field of change over a topic is itself a subject of study. It feels like a join over politics, Ontology and Epistemology.
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#54The solution to the Ship of Theseus is obviously that there is no Ship of Theseus. All things are just events in time, long moments where matter is organized into some structure for a while and then breaks apart again, and we assign names to those events. Some happen so quick that naming them is pointless and others are so slow to dissipate that a name becomes useful.
And so it is with consciousness. People place mysticism on consciousness because the idea that we are simply matter capable of knowing it is matter is disturbing. Season 1 of WestWorld used Anthony Hopkins to make this point well.
Not really. Your stance is something that people take when they don't understand the Hard Problem of consciousness.
They don't try to understand hard problem of consciousness and just try to strawman the whole thing down by tying it to mysticism.
Physicists like Penrose are not morons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness
I seriously doubt Westworld writers were aware of the hard problem of consciousness.
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#55This article is relatable
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#56That’s the axe that slayed me. Or was it?
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#57I get a real kick out of going back to articles I created almost 20 years ago to see how much of them still remains.
I still think I have the weirdest named article:
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#58The solution to the Ship of Theseus is obviously that there is no Ship of Theseus. All things are just events in time, long moments where matter is organized into some structure for a while and then breaks apart again, and we assign names to those events. Some happen so quick that naming them is pointless and others are so slow to dissipate that a name becomes useful.
So are you saying that an identity cannot persist beyond the original physical elements that composed the identity?
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
And the first version was pretty rough. It was only a couple of sentences long, and included a bizarre, irrelevant tangent ("a modern embellishment"). It's no surprise that every part of that has long since been replaced. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Permalink/1154003 TBH, the same is probably true of most Wikipedia articles which were created early in the site's history. It took a while for editors to settl…
I feel like the overall description from 2003 better explains the concept than the current article: > According to an ancient Greek legend, Theseus had a warship that was preserved as a historical relic by the Athenians. Some of its boards rotted and had to be replaced. After many, many years, many such replacements occurred. Eventually, none of the original boards were present. Philosophers could then debate whether…
I find the modern version easier to read, with the exception of the tangent in the middle.
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#60Without the walled garden: https://wikis.world/@wikipedia/111587024591220062
What?
It’s common practice at HN (this site) to make articles accessible to everyone. In this case twitter limits your ability to read an article if you are not logged in. The link provided lets you read it regardless of whether you have an account or whatnot.