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Re: 0% of the phrases of the original Wikipedia "Ship of Theseus" article remain

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Post by labster »

Geisterde wrote: post #23
tripdout wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like the overall description from 2003 better explains the concept than the current article: > According to an ancient Greek legend, Theseus had a warship that was preserved as a historical relic by the Athenians. Some of its boards rotted and had to be replaced. After many, many years, many such replacements occurred. Eventually, none of the original boards were present. Philosophers could then debate whether…

We all accepted santa was real at one point right? Like, we grew up and realized hes a fantasy character. I think its perfectly fine to keep the original article, you can discuss whether the history is true or not later in the analysis. Big boys and big girls can accept that some myths are worthy thought experiments implicitly, it doesnt need this language, only to gatekeep the knowledge behind some kind of intellect…

Wait, what do you mean Santa is a fantasy character? Are you implying the big jolly red man isn’t real?

Re: 0% of the phrases of the original Wikipedia "Ship of Theseus" article remain

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Post by willis936 »

deadbabe wrote: post #34

The solution to the Ship of Theseus is obviously that there is no Ship of Theseus. All things are just events in time, long moments where matter is organized into some structure for a while and then breaks apart again, and we assign names to those events. Some happen so quick that naming them is pointless and others are so slow to dissipate that a name becomes useful.

And so it is with consciousness. People place mysticism on consciousness because the idea that we are simply matter capable of knowing it is matter is disturbing. Season 1 of WestWorld used Anthony Hopkins to make this point well.

Re: 0% of the phrases of the original Wikipedia "Ship of Theseus" article remain

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Post by maxbond »

stevenwoo wrote: post #13

I read The Wager earlier this year and it’s implied that every active wooden ship eventually is a ship of Theseus, for a trip from England to the passage around South America at that time many of the ships had to be repaired along the way, though they didn’t start with all new ships.

Are they repairing every board though or is it mostly the same boards in vulnerable areas getting replaced?

Re: 0% of the phrases of the original Wikipedia "Ship of Theseus" article remain

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Post by echelon »

deadbabe wrote: post #34

The solution to the Ship of Theseus is obviously that there is no Ship of Theseus. All things are just events in time, long moments where matter is organized into some structure for a while and then breaks apart again, and we assign names to those events. Some happen so quick that naming them is pointless and others are so slow to dissipate that a name becomes useful.

Some structures are quite repeated. The 16S rRNA genes.

A hydrogen atom.

An STL file.

Maybe they're all the same Ship.

Re: 0% of the phrases of the original Wikipedia "Ship of Theseus" article remain

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Post by twodave »

gmuslera wrote: post #9

Now its time to add a new article to Wikipedia with those original phrases and words rearranged to talk about something totally different, and then debate which one is the real Ship of Theseus article.

They can argue about it on the disambiguation page.

Re: 0% of the phrases of the original Wikipedia "Ship of Theseus" article remain

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Post by zeristor »

willis936 wrote: post #42
deadbabe wrote: post #34

The solution to the Ship of Theseus is obviously that there is no Ship of Theseus. All things are just events in time, long moments where matter is organized into some structure for a while and then breaks apart again, and we assign names to those events. Some happen so quick that naming them is pointless and others are so slow to dissipate that a name becomes useful.

And so it is with consciousness. People place mysticism on consciousness because the idea that we are simply matter capable of knowing it is matter is disturbing. Season 1 of WestWorld used Anthony Hopkins to make this point well.

A sentient Ship of Theseus?

Re: 0% of the phrases of the original Wikipedia "Ship of Theseus" article remain

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Post by deadbabe »

echelon wrote: post #44
deadbabe wrote: post #34

The solution to the Ship of Theseus is obviously that there is no Ship of Theseus. All things are just events in time, long moments where matter is organized into some structure for a while and then breaks apart again, and we assign names to those events. Some happen so quick that naming them is pointless and others are so slow to dissipate that a name becomes useful.

Some structures are quite repeated. The 16S rRNA genes. A hydrogen atom. An STL file. Maybe they're all the same Ship.

Nope. The time and space in which they exist acts as a unique identifier.

Re: 0% of the phrases of the original Wikipedia "Ship of Theseus" article remain

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Post by deadbabe »

willis936 wrote: post #42
deadbabe wrote: post #34

The solution to the Ship of Theseus is obviously that there is no Ship of Theseus. All things are just events in time, long moments where matter is organized into some structure for a while and then breaks apart again, and we assign names to those events. Some happen so quick that naming them is pointless and others are so slow to dissipate that a name becomes useful.

And so it is with consciousness. People place mysticism on consciousness because the idea that we are simply matter capable of knowing it is matter is disturbing. Season 1 of WestWorld used Anthony Hopkins to make this point well.

Yes!! :D

Re: 0% of the phrases of the original Wikipedia "Ship of Theseus" article remain

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Post by LeonB »

irrational wrote: post #31
gitgud wrote: post #25

Is this an important metric? I’d imagine a lot of articles across Wikipedia change over time and barely resemble the original article… which is a huge benefit, as opposed to printed encyclopaedias All that matters is that the content is factually accurate, which this seems to be

Do you know what the Ship of Theseus is?

Is it even possible, though, to know what the ship of Theseus is?

Re: 0% of the phrases of the original Wikipedia "Ship of Theseus" article remain

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Post by procgen »

deadbabe wrote: post #34

The solution to the Ship of Theseus is obviously that there is no Ship of Theseus. All things are just events in time, long moments where matter is organized into some structure for a while and then breaks apart again, and we assign names to those events. Some happen so quick that naming them is pointless and others are so slow to dissipate that a name becomes useful.

The ship is a pattern that persists in time.
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