Web Analytics Illegal in UK after 26 May? Crazy
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Re: Web Analytics Illegal in UK after 26 May? Crazy
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but you might want to reword this post. The internet doesn't forget, and you never know when some old post might be used against you.
I don't post any personal information with my JohnnyFlash alias. I like my privacy :) Thanks for the warning though.
However, what about the other direction? Suppose your company comes to their attention through some other means, and they start investigating. At some point, you could find yourself answering questions under oath. It's conceivable the questioner might go on a fishing expedition, and ask "Have you ever posted on HN under the alias Johnny Flash?" (he might ask that at every company he investigates).
Then you've got the annoying choice between telling the truth and making your company's case for accidental violation much worse, or lying under oath which, if that is discovered, could bring serious penalties.
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#73My company is going to ignore the law until someone pull's us up on it. This law will severely restrict our ability to analyse how users are interacting with our product. This law will compromise our ability to further improve our product and disadvantage us against foreign competitors. Our company doesn't track users off the site, we anonymise data so it cannot be tracked back to an individual... as far as we are co…
Check out the analytics for 26th of May 2011:
Re: Web Analytics Illegal in UK after 26 May? Crazy
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, yes, but presumably you would ask your users to set those. For example, if you use Gmail, presumably you will agree to let Gmail set your login cookie. Then Google can do web analytics keyed off that; the law doesn't actually ban doing analytics.
Right, so the majority of websites are now required to display the warning and request opt-in. You don't see how this is a major pain? You can already get this behavior in your browser by changing user settings. Just try to surf like that for a while. It's horrendous, and what's worse, it doesn't make the user any wiser, really.
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#75If you read right to the end of the actual guidance from the ICO it says: --- We only use analytical cookies – if nobody consents that will seriously restrict the amount of information we can get to improve and develop our website The Regulations do not distinguish between cookies used for analytical activities and those used for other purposes. We do not consider analytical cookies fall within the ‘strictly necessar…
Re: Web Analytics Illegal in UK after 26 May? Crazy
#76Just because said stalking is automated, used for commercial purposes and has been renamed with cool souding euphemisms doesn't suddenly make it acceptable. Neither is the fact that it currently happens on such a large scale that it affects virtually every website.
These laws aren't crazy, they are a gradual return to sanity. The EU isn't crazy either. The directive sets the baseline for what is and what isn't allowed in principle, allows for plenty of wiggle room and the way it is actually implemented and enforced will be a gradually process.
All this over the top ranting without showing any self-reflection or attempt at self-regulation is exactly why this is now forced upon us from above in the first place. The EU and various government en consumer organisations have repeatedly called for the industry to keep itself in check.
Instead, the industry has gone completely mental under the motto "we do it because we can", and as a result we now have a commercial surveillance network that surpasses anything any totalitarian government could have ever dreamed of. And which on top of that blatantly violates already existing privacy laws.
Congrats. Well done. We've awoken the beast of government regulation, and we only have ourselves to blame. You can't keep pissing all over consumers and civil rights without it resulting in some kind of backlash.
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#77Re: Web Analytics Illegal in UK after 26 May? Crazy
#78Who is forcing users to go to a website? I consider a website the same as someone's house. While I'm interacting with their server its obvious they'll want to know what I'm doing. Its tracking people outside of a website's scope that should be allowed only with consent, such as facebook tracking people when they go to sites with a like button and so on
A site is much more like a shop - private property, but a public place, and therefore it has legal restrictions if you want it open to the public.
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Frankly, their policy seems sensible and I'm having an hard time giving a fuck about the webmasters (is this still used?). If you want to track, do it properly with a package installed on your own server. stop subjecting your users to Google's All-Seeing Eye just because using their Analytics is easier for you.
I am currently a webmaster (and I don't know if that's still used either, doesn't feel like it), and this is going to be a huge pain in the arse. The main reason it is a pain is the vagueness of the legislation, nobody has any idea what they can and can't do. Sure we can follow the ICO and put a pop-up on the site asking to accept cookies or not (which if you select 'not' ironically creates a cookie), but as other pe…
Re: Web Analytics Illegal in UK after 26 May? Crazy
#80The title is a little overly broad; as far as I can tell the only part of analytics that'll be impacted is setting cookies solely for tracking purposes. Lots of other kinds of web analytics will be fine. For example, you can do statistical analysis of your Apache logs, or of other cookies that you set in the regular course of operating the webapp.
That is a grey area at best.
For one thing, a cookie that has a dual purpose, controlling both logging in and analytics, appears to give up any exemption on the grounds of strict necessity that a cookie used only for logging in would be granted. You would probably be required to provide all kinds of explicit information about your use of the cookie to anyone before allowing them to log in and setting that cookie, adding at least one extra step to your sign-up process (or making use of a single sign-in service much less convenient for your visitors).
For another thing, that still restricts your analytics to cases where someone is already logged in or otherwise actively using your site. Often the more interesting things to know relate to visitors to your site who are not (yet) so active: what are your best traffic sources/keywords, where do new people come into your site and where do they go next, and where do they give up if they don't convert?