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Apple partly halts Beeper's iMessage app again, suggesting a long fight ahead

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Re: Apple partly halts Beeper's iMessage app again, suggesting a long fight ahead

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Post by ryanwaggoner »

tshirthoodie wrote: post #456
frumper wrote: post #441

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I’m just curious what you think Apple should do for a stolen phone?

For a stolen phone with AppleCare+ insurance that has been paid for every month since purchasing the phone, they should at least offer a way to file a claim. The only way to submit a claim was to click on a button in my icloud account that did not exist. I live in a big city and visited 3 Apple stores and spent about 15 hours in them in total, but none of them were able to help me get the claim filed so I had to give…

AppleCare+ does not include theft coverage. For that you need to pay for "AppleCare+ with Theft and Loss", which I assume you didn't do: https://www.apple.com/support/products/iphone/

It's pretty easy to see why they wouldn't include theft + loss coverage unless you pay for it...

Re: Apple partly halts Beeper's iMessage app again, suggesting a long fight ahead

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Post by jollyllama »

StressedDev wrote: post #477
standardUser wrote: post #267

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Ugh, it is beyond depressing to imagine Apple bigwigs sitting around discussing ways to make absolutely certain teens keep getting ostracized until they buy their overpriced product.

If someone is ostracizing you because you do not own an iPhone, you probably want to avoid that person. I have never met anyone who would do this and frankly, only an extremely nasty person would do this. I am mean seriously, why ostracized someone because they use a different type of phone?

They're imagining that they won't just get made fun of for something else. It never ends; you either have to not care, conform, or sustain trauma.

Re: Apple partly halts Beeper's iMessage app again, suggesting a long fight ahead

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Post by hexagonwin »

rezonant wrote: post #313

I think this is kinda technically a win for Beeper. I would've expected another 100% lockout to be Apple's priority. They were instead only able to block 5%, which sounds like a heuristic being applied, and possibly not even an intentional block of Beeper (in the sense that some anti-spam service may be identifying some Beeper users). They can certainly escalate with protocol changes, but they still have to contend w…

iMessage generally works well on old versions. I used it just fine on an iPhone 5 running iOS 6.1.4 (from 2012!) last year.

Re: Apple partly halts Beeper's iMessage app again, suggesting a long fight ahead

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Post by sn0wf1re »

thethimble wrote: post #450
rezonant wrote: post #447

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Interestingly, if you break your iPhone on vacation and buy a phone that is not an iPhone so that you can still be contacted until you get home to your favorite Apple Store, you are also losing messages, assuming you forget to go through Apple's iMessage deregistration system. Really the design of iMessage is the problem.

Really? Doesn’t iMessage fall back to sms if the receiver doesn’t ack? At least that’s what the UX feels like.

Yes it does fallback. There are two situations where it does so

1. The sender cannot connect to the imessage server 2. The receiver does not connect to the imessage server, on any of the devices registered to receive at that particular address.

I know both methods happen since I didn't used to have data and I would receive SMSs when someone sent me an imessage and I was out and about.

Re: Apple partly halts Beeper's iMessage app again, suggesting a long fight ahead

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Post by StressedDev »

geraldwhen wrote: post #537
StressedDev wrote: post #472

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Is this really a problem? I seriously doubt many people are going to leave someone out because they use an Android phone. I certainly won't because I like communicating with people and people are far more important than technology.

One Android user means you can no longer send images, video, gifs, or emoji. You can’t react to messages. Sending and receiving no longer works on wifi, so it doesn’t work well in many workplaces. SMS is a disaster, so it’s best just to leave out the green bubbles.

iPhone users can react to messages when Android users are in a chat. Also, I would not call SMS a "disaster". It works well for text messages and images. These are the two most important things for most people. Also, I have sent images to Android users and they have never complained about image quality. I really think some people are overstating the importance of iMessage. Does it add some nice features? Yes. Is it amazing? Nope. Also, I suspect that the discrimination problem is more of a people problem. Basically, the people who discriminate will find something else to discriminate on if they did not have iMessage.

Re: Apple partly halts Beeper's iMessage app again, suggesting a long fight ahead

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Post by StressedDev »

withinboredom wrote: post #561
geraldwhen wrote: post #536

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SMS is not reliable. Messages are routinely lost.

iMessages too. "failed to send" is a real thing, with no notification.

Messages / lets you know if it could not send a message. I do not know if these are iMessages or SMS messages, but I have seen the error message.

Re: Apple partly halts Beeper's iMessage app again, suggesting a long fight ahead

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Post by StressedDev »

geraldwhen wrote: post #536
zem wrote: post #466

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the alternative is just continuing to sms people from your android because at least you know the messages are definitely going through, green bubble or not

SMS is not reliable. Messages are routinely lost.

I have not had a problem with SMS. I think it depends on the cell phone network companies. Some are reliable. Some are not.

Re: Apple partly halts Beeper's iMessage app again, suggesting a long fight ahead

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Post by StressedDev »

rjst01 wrote: post #535
rezonant wrote: post #313

I think this is kinda technically a win for Beeper. I would've expected another 100% lockout to be Apple's priority. They were instead only able to block 5%, which sounds like a heuristic being applied, and possibly not even an intentional block of Beeper (in the sense that some anti-spam service may be identifying some Beeper users). They can certainly escalate with protocol changes, but they still have to contend w…

Apple has on occasion done out-of-band patches for older devices to fix serious security issues, so it doesn't seem too unrealistic.

Note Apple does not fix all security issues on unsupported devices. They only fix really bad issues. I do not think it is safe to use an iOS device which does not have the latest version of iOS.

Re: Apple partly halts Beeper's iMessage app again, suggesting a long fight ahead

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Post by standardUser »

StressedDev wrote: post #477
standardUser wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ugh, it is beyond depressing to imagine Apple bigwigs sitting around discussing ways to make absolutely certain teens keep getting ostracized until they buy their overpriced product.

If someone is ostracizing you because you do not own an iPhone, you probably want to avoid that person. I have never met anyone who would do this and frankly, only an extremely nasty person would do this. I am mean seriously, why ostracized someone because they use a different type of phone?

> I am mean seriously, why ostracized someone because they use a different type of phone?

Your current lived experiences may not be in sync with people in their teens or twenties. This is a well-known phenomenon called "green bubble bullying" that Apple has masterfully orchestrated to make people force other people to buy their phones.

Re: Apple partly halts Beeper's iMessage app again, suggesting a long fight ahead

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Post by stonogo »

filoleg wrote: post #578
stonogo wrote: post #361

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T-Mobile does not give primary account holders access to messaging content of other lines, regardless of the relationship between users.

It doesn’t anymore, but it used to for pretty much all phone carriers in the US. And even now, on T-Mobile (as that’s the one I use, so the only one I can verify myself), if you have an account with multiple lines (e.g., a family plan), you can go into your account, click “Usage”, then “Text messages”, and it will show you all text info for all lines on the account (but no actual text content). And not just for “kid…

I've been with T-Mobile for twenty years and in that time it has never released messaging content to account holders. Their cybersecurity record may be trash, but misinformation isn't really helpful.

I'm not convinced that handing everything to a different company is a solution, but I'm glad you found a plan you're comfortable with.

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