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Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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unless something has changed recently, openstack is a horror to setup and administer. the point of vmware is that is fairly trivial to go from a single server with some VMs, to a massive cluster with live zero-downtime migrations. (and have funky storage, get working snapshots and backups.) Sure openstack can do that. but its non trivial to setup.

I see companies hire a team of experts who plan and architect for six months to a year before they are ready to deploy a new VMWare cluster. I've seen a two or three rack cluster cost a million dollars before the architecture team requisitioned a single piece of hardware or software. I've seen a very small outfit spend six months with all hired consultants to set up a 3-server VMWare cluster. VMWare doesn't seem that…

I mean yeah, but thats the cost of hiring consultants.

VMware (wasnt) that hard. How many VMs do you need? work out the storage requirements, triple it, plumb it in, get the right licences, and go.

Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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What about xcp-ng?

I intensely disliked xcp-ng when I tried it a few years back. It's more of a move fast and break things indie type of project. Proxmox feels more stable and trustworthy.

I went w/ bhyve; I like to have full control over the system.

Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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> They purchase 3rd party tools in lieu of bespoke tooling. Besides the fact that I explicitly also talked about third-party tooling, which definitively is available, even if not yet as broadly (cue chicken and egg), lots of such extra third-party tooling makes one's infrastructure dependent by many more projects than required, each adding complexity and reducing reliability. But as said, this is a complaint for the…

The problem here is what you think "supported" means for example >We have a role based access control system for all our products, this can be already done. So you have a web portal where a Help Desk Tech can take a user request for a file to be restored back to a vm, open a web portal search for the indivual file then either download that file and email it to the user, or restore it back to the VM, or restore it to…

  > So you have a web portal where a Help Desk Tech can take a user request for a file to be restored back to a vm, open a web portal search for the indivual file then either download that file and email it to the user, or restore it back to the VM, or restore it to a completely different VM depending on the use case???
There's a web portal that can be used for that, both inside PVE and PBS. Download to inside a VM is possible.

It surely isn't as integrated/polished, but that it's just not possible is far from true either. We're polishing release for release, most of those things are not complicated, but need a bit of time.

  > Sure you can do it that why, but veeam has support for this in their product, in the UI that is already part of my work flow, this is what I consider a "OS Level or Storage level hack" it is not really part of Proxmox, but part of the underlying linux OS or Storage solution.
Yeah, replication is built-in to Proxmox VE's UI/workflow/API whatever too...

  > Veeam use ReFS or XFS to only store one version of a block no matter how many backups are taken, this is done in the veeam software and works with their VBK file format. ZFS has some dedup which is what proxmox relies on but it works differently than Veeam, and seems to be less effective. These Block Cloning also works with the Data Format uploaded to S3 to massively save on storage costs.
Yeah no, that's complete BS, we nowhere rely on ZFS dedup at any point, that would be completely useless for PBS... We have our own content addressable storage, as, again, already mentioned, and thus refer to every block only once, no matter how many backups taken.

  > Have you ever used Veeam? I have been using Veeam since version 9.5, and hold a VMCE certification.
Yeah, but I hold no certification and left basically all proprietary EEE/blackmail software for good since years, thus luckily do not even need to start think about such "migrate or get squeezed big time" situations for any infra of mine.

But sure, use Veeam, that's totally fine, and it is very well integrated quality software, but for a lot of setups PBS is way more than enough to cover their use cases.

And this thread actually started of with Proxmox VE, so just tell Veeam you want to use their software for PVE, I'm to close to this so cannot say anything, but they surely got wind of those changes coming to VMWare and surely hedge against the doom Broadcom will bring, what do you think they'd do? ;-)

Anyhow, I wish you all the best in your future migrations and hope you find a solution that fits your needs and workflows without being held hostage by your core infra provider.

Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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Free esxi is pretty crippled at this point, esp for high core counts. Proxmox is the way to go!

Does Proxmox have a free version available, or is it only available for purchase? Asking because although their website says its OSS it's super unclear what to download for homelab use. If they're seriously wanting people to pay $$$ even to run it on old homelab gear, that's not going to work (for me). ;)

Yes it's totally free. They have a subscription for enterprise (which isn't all that expensive really). But I have run it in production (for a bit to demonstrate use) and in my homelab for free.
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