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Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by oblio »

nkotov wrote: post #154

I'm on my fifth Tesla now and I drive a lot. The switch from radar to pure vision has been really disruptive and annoying, especially in tight spaces like a garage. If this ends up causing more nagging, the value of having autopilot will simply be worth the "costs". I used FSD beta and while it's a cool party trick, I just don't trust it enough to use every single day compared to using basic autopilot. I've driven wi…

> kind of known to be ticking-time bombs.

Do you mean they're mechanically bad and they start failing after N years? (N is traditionally somewhere around 7 years)

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by oblio »

toss1 wrote: post #145

Meanwhile, Musk is suing California claiming that restrictions on false advertising are a 1st Amendment violation [0]. He wants to be free to lie claiming that it is fully autonomous. And here is a 2 million recall for safety issues on the same system. I used to have a lot of respect for him. Now, it's just repulsion. [0] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/tesla-fights-aut...

> Meanwhile, Musk is suing California claiming that restrictions on false advertising are a 1st Amendment violation [0].

That is so on the nose American :-))))

You know, the world is full of suckers, I should be free to separate them from their money, it's MY RIGHT! :-))))

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by genocidicbunny »

FireBeyond wrote: post #206
genocidicbunny wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I recall reading recently, the most recent models are cheap Chinese-made cars with the bare minimum of attention and QC put into them. Like, frame welded with spot welds that can be pulled apart by hand kind of issues.

Let's not just throw that in the box of "cheap Chinese". Tesla has shipped cars with windshields not attached to the vehicle in any way, has shipped cars with missing brake pads, etc.

I'm not. This is not the 'cheap Chinese' box. This is the 'absolute worst possible quality car that stays together long enough to ship to Russia and get sold before it falls apart after the first rough ride' box.

Tesla's QC issues make them look like bespoke works of art compared to what I saw of some of the newest Ladas. It's one thing when you're missing parts or badly glued windshields. It's a whole other thing when the welds holding the frame of your car together have the structural integrity of butter on Venus.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by ceejayoz »

donatj wrote: post #143
freedomben wrote: post #28

I really wonder where we're headed (in general, not specifically with Teslas) regarding technologies requirements to "do enough to prevent misuse." These requirements are already a major thorn in my side. My car has sensors to detect when a passenger isn't wearing a seat belt and to blast an ear-hurting alarm directly at the driver. It's so loud that it's actually a safety issue in itself because it's hard to focus o…

My wife’s Scion lets out the worlds most painful screech if you try to lock the doors with one of them open. My Mazda will just… lock the doors. I don’t even understand what the Scion is trying to accomplish. It’s just trying to mock you I guess.

Surely that's obvious? The clear intent of locking the doors is to keep people out of your car. It's trying to warn you before you walk away from a car you think you've successfully secured but have not.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by m463 »

averageRoyalty wrote: post #222
m463 wrote: post #211

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> unguided on mirrors alone I suspect pretty soon the mirrors may go the way of morse code with respect to tesging. Tesla is trying to eliminate rearview mirrors, replacing them with cameras. that said, I LIKE mirrors - they don't go out or white out in the wrong lighting. I also like turn signals and gearshift levers, which tesla has already eliminated. It seems like the only button you can depend on in a tesla is t…

I'm confused. Teslas (and most cars in the last decade) have a rear view mirror and reverse camera. Tesla also have an indicator stalk ("turn signal"), and their gear shift is also on a stalk, as it was in most 50s and 60s cars. Is there a specific Tesla type or concept vehicle you're referencing here? Because none of the ones I've been in reflect what you're saying.

new teslas do not have any stalks - no turn signals or gear shift stalks.

turn signals - they are a touch sensor in the middle of the steering wheel.

gear shift - the new cars "guess" which direction you want to go and shift for you. You can select a direction on the touchscreen. There is also a touch area underneath the center console for selecting gears (you have to touch it to wake, then touch again to shift).

lights are a touch area on the steering wheel.

the horn is a touch area on the steering wheel.

By law cars require rearview mirrors, so tesla ships them, but they are fighting against them both technically and in a regulatory way.

I think tesla is throwing the baby, your spouse and your kids out with the bathwater.

I would prefer if these controls were an $2k option, maybe even a dashboard as an option.

you are a worse driver in a tesla.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by MattRix »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #216
MattRix wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever happened to empathy? Those people don’t deserve to die despite making mistakes or being careless. Many of them probably have kids or other family that love and rely on them.

Mike Rowe on safety third: https://mikerowe.com/2020/03/walk-me-through-this-safety-thi...

Not totally sure how that applies here, since I don’t think anyone would argue that having a few extra warnings is somehow slowing down progress.

I also disagree with the article for other reasons. The idea that something being the first priority means it’s the only priority is nonsense. Safety can be weighted the highest out of all the priorities while still being balanced with the other priorities.

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Post by adamsb6 »

lesuorac wrote: post #166
adamsb6 wrote: post #160

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In most states no training at all is required to operate a boat, and I don’t think there are any specific requirements around autopilot. The earliest autopilot for boats was built in the 1800s.

Which states are you referring to? Locally you need a certificate for motorized craft and it seems like almost every other state is in this situation. You can get the certificate after taking training but I imagine there is some way to test out of it. -- The training doesn't need to be months long though. Try renting a jet-ski; they'll give you a very quick training but it's still present. Although jet-skis are proba…

Thanks for the correction. My own state of Washington mandated boater education only about ten years ago, I assumed it was an early mover given how much navigable water we have.
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