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Australia to ban engineered stone

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Re: Australia to ban engineered stone

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imagine if we'd had these people around in the neolithic; it's well-known that potters often came down with silicosis from exposure to the silica in their clay bodies

they would have banned pottery

also isn't concrete technically 'engineered stone'

i'm puzzled how breathing granite dust instead of so-called engineered stone dust is supposed to be better for you

Re: Australia to ban engineered stone

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Sadly that's just the culture. I've seen apprentices laughed at by old timers and called pussies because they were taking basic precautions and wearing PPE. And then to fit in they themselves took on that same attitude.

It hurts me when I see my tradie trainee husband (at school to be an auto mechanic) skip PPE in places he really shouldn't (e.g. latex gloves when handling carcinogenic fluids). I don't really know as I can do much other than state my objections to deaf ears though.

Both my grandfather and father received identical forms of bladder cancer due to improperly handling solvents without PPE. It's preventable and stupid.

A similar situation exists with mostly men who work outside and refuse to wear hats or sunscreen but develop malignant melanoma at far greater rates than other groups.

The definition of stupid is someone who believes they can smoke 5 packs a day and not get cancer. But it's the inconsiderateness of someone who doesn't love their family enough to watch out for their own health to not leave them prematurely rather than hurry death along.

Re: Australia to ban engineered stone

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Are software devs who join unions getting paid more than those who do the classic either: (a) 2 year hops or (b) find a company that gives good rises to take you above market rate.

The good news is you can do both of those things and still be a member of a union! And additionally, there's lots of evidence to suggest that union members get paid more https://www.australianunions.org.au/factsheet/union-members-... Union penetration is decidedly low in tech, and tech companies coincidentally have some of the highest cash reserves of any industry. People in tech often think, why should I join my uni…

If I am the only one at my company who is in a union, how does the union help me negotiate more salary? Or does it rely on enough people at my company joining?

Re: Australia to ban engineered stone

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I don't understand how banning it does anything to address the underlying problem of people wilfully ignoring PPE/safe working practices. One of the "Suggested safer alternatives" is Granite which can have silica content up to 45% (Engineered stone being 95%+) So instead of 2 years to develop silicosis it will instead take 4 years of working with the "safe alternatives"? All the people who were cutting engineered sto…

> All the people who were cutting engineered stone with unsafe methods, are now just going to be cutting granite and other natural stone with the same safety practices that led to this being banned. > I really don't get it. Before engineered stone took off like crazy people were already cutting natural stone, working as stone masons, working at BGC quarries (stone mining, crushing, grading, delivery). After engineere…

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Re: Australia to ban engineered stone

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It hurts me when I see my tradie trainee husband (at school to be an auto mechanic) skip PPE in places he really shouldn't (e.g. latex gloves when handling carcinogenic fluids). I don't really know as I can do much other than state my objections to deaf ears though.

Those fluids are carcinogenic to drink, not to get on your skin. Don’t be a scold, show the benefit, which is it’s easier to clean up after work. Also latex gloves cause latex allergies frequently, vinyl gloves can be a good alternative.

For several years now I cannot wear a wristwatch on my left hand because of a sustained skin reaction to a mixture of automatic transmission fluid and gearbox "oil leak fixer". Don't be an idiot like me, wear the gloves.

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The good news is you can do both of those things and still be a member of a union! And additionally, there's lots of evidence to suggest that union members get paid more https://www.australianunions.org.au/factsheet/union-members-... Union penetration is decidedly low in tech, and tech companies coincidentally have some of the highest cash reserves of any industry. People in tech often think, why should I join my uni…

If I am the only one at my company who is in a union, how does the union help me negotiate more salary? Or does it rely on enough people at my company joining?

If unions have the funding to advocate for higher wages, even at other companies, wages in the industry will rise to remain competitive.

Additionally unions can offer you support in workplace disputes, and so function as a kind of legal employment insurance, even when density in your workplace is low.

Re: Australia to ban engineered stone

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Exactly, silica is not the problem. Silica is everywhere, we don't wear PPE to drive down a dirt road. It's the silica plus the adhesive additives combined in your lungs that does the damage.

Maybe. Or it's the dose, which sounds quite high when working with engineered stone.

It's the bozos working with the stuff without proper PPE.

I watched a grave marker carver absolutely bathing in dust with just a thin bandanna, I was in there for 5 minutes and was left choking in their hazardous work environment.

WitH sufficient PPE and dust control, it's not a problem. This is just barking up the wrong tree because they can't get workers to not be idiots, so they pick a scapegoat to ban at random. It's not fucking asbestos. It's apparent but ineffective motion by expediency.

Re: Australia to ban engineered stone

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I don't understand how banning it does anything to address the underlying problem of people wilfully ignoring PPE/safe working practices. One of the "Suggested safer alternatives" is Granite which can have silica content up to 45% (Engineered stone being 95%+) So instead of 2 years to develop silicosis it will instead take 4 years of working with the "safe alternatives"? All the people who were cutting engineered sto…

I'm usually all for worker protection, but this is really ludicrous. What next? Banning saws because people keep cutting off their fingers?

Re: Australia to ban engineered stone

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Porcelain seems like the best option here.

For a benchtop? Sounds like one dropped pan away from disaster

You can chip them if you smacked the edge with cast iron but they don’t smash like glass. Would be cosmetic only. You can chip stone as well though so eh.

A small if any durability reduction seems acceptable for the health and safety improvement.

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