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Re: Google Promises Unlimited Storage; Cancels; Tells Journalist Life's Work Deleted

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> The actual headline is slightly less inflammatory: "Google Promises Unlimited Cloud Storage; Then Cancels Plan; Then Tells Journalist His Life’s Work Will Be Deleted Without Enough Time To Transfer The Data" Correct. 7 days is not enough time to stream >200TB of data, let alone find a place to stream it to. This puts a human being in a crisis position. He doesn't need to just find someone willing to store his data.…

> A decent company would drop $2000 on HDD, or a bit less on optical / tape media, and ship (rather than delete) the data to the customer they fired, at their own cost, or at the very least, at customer cost. A company which provides literally no way to get data out and offloads expenses is a POS company. Please, be realistic. This is nuts and you must know it.

It may be nuts, but many companies offer this option.

It's not clear what Google is doing here is even legal. If a company is holding my property, they're usually required to make reasonable efforts to return it.

A former employer will usually ship your things back to you, for example, or find other ways to return them. Simply tossing things you had in your office in the trash is illegal.

Re: Google Promises Unlimited Storage; Cancels; Tells Journalist Life's Work Deleted

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Perhaps it was a mistake, but offering unlimited was a competitive advantage. Others working with the economies of storage had limits or priced based on usage; having unlimited would be a great way to draw in customers. I'm highly skeptical of tech companies effectively price dumping, harming competition, and then coming out and saying "Oops, that wasn't sustainable. Here are the new terms." I'm of the mindset that i…

It's also naive to think a big tech company wouldn't be aware of power distributions (see Pareto) when offering anything unlimited. Which Google does continue to offer unlimited data on Google Fi, but throttles (even though they also discontinued the unlimited photo upload with Pixels and many times offers expansion of drive space but if you upgrade to a paid plan you don't get the additional storage, you just get ge…

I don't feel at all bad about throttling mobile data.

For reference, the standard scam before was to offer $40/month for e.g. 1GB of data. At that point, you'd pay a crazy amount for each additional MB of data. This was horrible with very fast data, where you could accidentally burn through the whole quota with a misclick e.g. grabbing a large download.

Unlimited with throttle is super-friendly in comparison. I need data in case of an emergency -- enough to send and get emails and have GPS. I don't need 4k video streaming in an emergency. I don't want a $1000 bill for that. It keeps me in a sensible position, without requiring unlimited liability for the carrier.

Re: Google Promises Unlimited Storage; Cancels; Tells Journalist Life's Work Deleted

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It's also naive to think a big tech company wouldn't be aware of power distributions (see Pareto) when offering anything unlimited. Which Google does continue to offer unlimited data on Google Fi, but throttles (even though they also discontinued the unlimited photo upload with Pixels and many times offers expansion of drive space but if you upgrade to a paid plan you don't get the additional storage, you just get ge…

I don't feel at all bad about throttling mobile data. For reference, the standard scam before was to offer $40/month for e.g. 1GB of data. At that point, you'd pay a crazy amount for each additional MB of data. This was horrible with very fast data, where you could accidentally burn through the whole quota with a misclick e.g. grabbing a large download. Unlimited with throttle is super-friendly in comparison. I need…

Oh, I actually appreciate unlimited with throttle. They've always had data caps too but I wouldn't be surprised if the average user knew about them. But maybe the overage plan manager did because Fi is niche? And sorry, I was just bringing up Fi as an example of something being unlimited since so many people were acting like nothing is.

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It's google, they're constantly talking about "big data" and "web scale" seems like a reasonable assumption for a layman to make.

The individual wasn't a layman.

How so, given that they're a reporter?

I can't even find that they're a tech reporter given that:

> The footage Burke obtained and shared with other journalists was obviously embarassing for the Fox brand. And that’s saying something, considering what Fox is willing to publish and air of its own free will and volition. A pair of videos featuring unreleased footage of a Kanye West interview allegedly illegally obtained by Tim Burke featured the rap star saying things even more abhorrent than his usual blend of sexism, bigotry, and conspiracy theories.

They certainly don't seem like someone with an expert's understanding of cloud storage costs, do you have evidence to the contrary?

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Reminds me of the unlimited write-only cloud storage service (an April fools joke, maybe?) from a few years ago.

S4! Still available: http://www.supersimplestorageservice.com/

Yes! Thank you!

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I almost get the impression that the act of gathering of evidence for the supposed CFAA violation is intended as a form of extrajudicial punishment.

Yes, CFAA raids are definitely done as a form of extrajudicial punishment. When the FBI raided me at 6am with guns drawn in ~2010 they never indicted me, never charged me with anything. But they did steal all my computers and electronics, and all my flatmate's computers and electronics, and got me kicked out of my apartment (which they trashed). That morning they raided ~100 people across the US as part of a giant wa…

Can the government be sued for compensation for data loss and broken hardware?

Also, isn't there a legal duration for how long the FBI could keep the evidence/equipment they gathered in the investigation? Ten years seems to be too long for that.

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> Normally the response to this is, yes, it sucks, but you're not paying Google to host your data. You are not paying the competition either; so you somewhat paying Google. It's not a direct payment but indirect support

> You are not paying the competition either Competition for what? Here we're talking about data hosting. There are plenty of companies that will host huge amounts of data for reasonable prices. And unlike Google, they actually have reasonable terms of service and customer support.

And you are not paying them, not even the reasonable price, because Google flips giving it away for "free" - so the competition doesn't get any money and Google doesn't have any liability whatsoever... Win-win for Google

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In fact all you can eat buffets ban people from showing up after they completely break the system.

All-you-can-eat is not the same as unlimited.

So should cloud providers offer all-you-can-store in the future because by your logic that's not the same as unlimited?

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> And, yes, some people have asked why Tim doesn’t have other backups around, but (again) the FBI took all of his shit. I was about to say 'you should have other backups', but the FBI is a very powerful persistent threat, and might be the more important problem.

And yet I see everyone here blaming Google and not the FBI. Until the day comes when Google is raiding your house and confiscating your data, it seems like the FBI is the bigger baddie here.

Re: Google Promises Unlimited Storage; Cancels; Tells Journalist Life's Work Deleted

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This is one of the reasons i dont like cloud. I only use it for (encrypted) backups and temporary sharing. Not for important stuff. Also i dont want my account or data to be randomly deleted due to vague terms and conditions or policies.

Not your drive, not your data.

Until the FBI takes the drive away from you, apparently.
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