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Australia to ban engineered stone

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Re: Australia to ban engineered stone

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Do you think that folks will install it on site without cutting it?

As far as countertops go, field cuts are rather uncommon. Laser templating works well. Holes on the other hand tend to be done in the field. But, people don't wear PPE even though it's simple and easy to do.

My exact experience! Got a hole added for water filter tap and I think he didn’t wear PPE. Had I known about this I would have ensured everyone out the house while it was being done.

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~6 years ago I got new countertops, and while they did the bulk of the cutting in their facility, they did do a few cuts in my front yard, creating a huge cloud of dust. The main parts of the counter arrived ready to assemble, but I think they cut a spanning piece for behind the stove, spanning the counters on either side. My 8yo son came out to see what was going on, looked at the workers doing the cut without masks…

All the workers clapped and one of them cried.

And who was that boy? Albert Einstein.

Re: Australia to ban engineered stone

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The problem with “always wear a p100” is that they’re not comfortable in an unventilated uncooled house which is where a lot of construction happens. If everyone is wearing one you also need to take more breaks which eats into time to do the job. The industry is set up so you only get paid for doing the job. If doing it unsafely means doing it faster or being more comfortable then a lot of small time contractors will…

I mean, if we can't incentivize doing the right thing by teaching people that they'll die of a respiratory disease in their 30s if they don't wear their PPE, then honestly, that's life. If people choose to do their job in a way that gives them high risk of bad health outcomes, that's on them. Certainly if workers are being coerced into not doing the right thing, that's a problem, and employers need to be fined into o…

You implicitly lay responsibility on the worker first, then on the employer, then on the customer.

Perhaps if the order of responsibility were reversed, it would lead to better outcomes.

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PPE is the wrong solution here. Tools that don’t produce dust are the right solution. Wet tile saws and waterjets can cut stone (and engineered stone) with essentially no dust. An angle grinder with a dust shroud and HEPA filtered extractor (total cost starts around $400) can do the same thing a regular angle grinder does but with a lot less dust. And one really can work all day in a pouch-style N95 mask. They don’t…

> PPE is the wrong solution here. Tools that don’t produce dust are the right solution. "Essentially no dust" is not "no dust". There are no safe levels of silica that can be introduced to your lungs. > And one really can work all day in a pouch-style N95 mask N95 is basically the bare minimum in terms of filters. In my shop I have a shop vac with a tornado tumbler that attaches to tools for fine wood dust and a full…

You might look into one of these, I find they're great for getting dust from vertical trim cuts.

https://rousseauco.com/product/rousseau-5000-l-lighted-dust-...

Re: Australia to ban engineered stone

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Honestly, a huge innovation in the quality and comfort of respirators would be a massive safety revolution. If we can make earbuds comfortable enough so that people can wear them 8 hours a day, there's got to be something to do for breathing.

The 3M Auras m, especially the 9210, are really good. That’s what I’ve been wearing for the past 3 years. Comfortable, excellent filtering (I suspect they’d actually qualify as N99, but no one actually buys those. Also like how they come individually plastic wrapped (and folded flat). Makes it really easy to keep a couple in the car car and what not.

Those are face masks, but for respirators a silicone one goes a long way (3M 7503).

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There are safe levels of alcohol consumption.

It's poison, there is no safe level. "No level of alcohol consumption is safe when it comes to human health, according to a WHO statement released in January, 2023." https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanrhe/article/PIIS2665-9...

cheers to that!

Re: Australia to ban engineered stone

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I work for one of the union organisations (the ACTU) that pushed for this ban. Software devs are notoriously anti-union. Software companies notoriously have huge cash reserves that didn't go into the pockets of those devs. Join your union. If you're in Australia you can start the process, here: https://www.australianunions.org.au/join/begin-join/#/

Are software devs who join unions getting paid more than those who do the classic either: (a) 2 year hops or (b) find a company that gives good rises to take you above market rate.

Re: Australia to ban engineered stone

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No arguing against the ban I have to say the alternatives from the article are significantly more expensive, not durable or silly (concrete) Anyone had luck with one of the alternatives * Natural stone * Porcelain * Laminate * Tiles * Concrete * Wood/Timber

Why is concrete silly? Concrete is can be a high end material. I guess you could treat to to make it waterproof (it is used in the bare weather after all!)
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