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US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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To be fair FSD is the hardest software problem that man has ever attempted.

This is important to consider when judging Tesla's engineering capability, but not when judging Elon Musk's highly optimistic promises. Either Elon is aware of the fact that FSD is really hard and he's lying repeatedly about being able to deliver it "later this year". Or he is not aware that FSD is as hard as you say and needs to "hit the books" and understand the problem better. I don't really see an "out" here afte…

Software timelines are notoriously hard to forecast because you're essentially trying to predict how long it will take to do something nobody has done before.

So you look at what's left to do and as long as you don't run into any unforeseen issues you say, looks like about six months from now.

Sometimes you don't run into any unforeseen issues and it turns out to be about six months.

Sometimes you do, and then it takes longer. So a year later you found an unexpected problem that delayed you by a year. Someone asks you how long you think it will take again, that issue delayed you by a year but that was a year ago, so you say, looks like about six months from now.

Eventually the estimate will be true but nobody knows when because nobody knows how to make an accurate estimate. Because you have to know how hard it is to do in order to know how long it will take, which nobody knows until after somebody has actually done it.

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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In my parents county (very rural), the local electric coop is running fiber on all their poles. Its possible that my parents living 10 miles from the nearest town (2 4-way stops, a grocery store and a couple of gas stations) will get gigabit fiber before my friends that live in a well off suburb in a dense urban area will.

About 5 years ago I moved from Silicon Valley to rural Vermont. I have 750 symmetric fiber on my dirt road, and have had more reliable internet here than I did in the South Bay for the decade I lived there. Where politics doesn't impede the growth of municipal and co-op internet solutions, it is absolutely possible for rural communities to end up with very capable internet access.

same here. - I don't live far from you, in a town of less than 1000 people - and more than 40 miles from even a modest-sized city - and we now have 1GB symmetrical fiber-to-the-home for less than $100/month - and it hasn't gone out even once in over 2 years.

It can work.

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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What speeds do you get? Edit: That's weird. San Gregorio is like 15-20 miles from Cupertino. Here in Jackson County, AL, Farmers Telecom Coop has gigabit or half-gigabit fiber to much of the county.

There is a slim sliver of coast that has farms, then mountains, then the valley. The mountains are sparsely populated and heavily forested. Driving up and out of the valley you enter into a different world complete with legends of murder cults. Its a car and motorbike mecca. Drive down the coast from San Francisco. Climb up the mountain at San Gregorio or further south, stop at Alice’s to look at the superbikes and s…

> Its a car and motorbike mecca.

I'll say! In high school and college I had a 1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 and I grew up on Highway 9 in Ben Lomond. I went to college at Santa Clara University and continued dating someone who lived off Highway 9 in Boulder Creek. I got to rip it over HWY 9 a few times a week! Such a lovely drive. Tho I lost a dear friend to a car accident on that road and I slowed down a lot since then.

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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This is precisely why anyone trying to tie this to Twitter is a political dunce.

Right, I am sure it is a complete coincidence that almost all of Musk's companies are suddenly being investigated by multiple federal departments...

The FCC canceled Starlink's welfare check on August 10, 2022.

Elon took over Twitter on October 27, 2022.

Where is the coincidence exactly?

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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I watched a panel discussion on self driving cars in 2015 with several legit experts in the technology (I believe Sebastian Thrun was one of them). There were also some CEOs. The experts all said there’s no way the tech would deploy before 2025, potentially later. The CEOs were saying 2018 or 2019. The experts had a clear view way back then, the CEOs just don’t want to listen.

Waymo deployed cars without safety drivers to Tempe in 2021.

Sure but the panel discussion was talking about consumer release of self driving cars, which really requires level 5 capabilities in a wide variety of conditions, not just ideal weather.

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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What are you using to run the automated speed tests?

Not sure what they use but I've used Speedtest CLI: https://www.speedtest.net/apps/cli works good.

Yep!

  speedtest -f json -I eth0
I also test the WISP connection on eth1

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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> Elon has shown himself to be unworthy of any position where trust and good judgement is required. That's an insane statement given the unprecedented success of SpaceX.

That doesn’t negate the fact that he wields power against others when it meets his needs. He’s effective, I don’t dispute that, but still needs a metaphorical cage built around him to protect others.

He "wields power against others"? What are you talking about?

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

#538

My parents in rural Northeast Texas use Starlink as their primary connection (they have a WISP as failover). Since Sept. 2022, I've been running automated speed tests four times a day (1 and 7, AM and PM). Speeds vary a lot throughout the day, but average about 100 Mbps down by 10 Mbps up. https://gist.github.com/LukeLambert/dd722e49bc773bcb27e859d9...

Is it weird that most of the ones around 1am are under 50mbps? The variability I think make sense, but the 1am consistency seems strange.

Note that the timestamps are UTC, while Texas is UTC-6:00 during Standard Time and UTC-5:00 during Daylight Saving Time. The biggest dip is during prime streaming hours.

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

#539

Maybe a dumb take but I’d really like for the population to earn an ownership stake in the company for providing subsidies. I don’t know much about subsidies but it seems like it would be in the best interest of the population to be able to have an ownership stake in the companies that are providing a head start through monetary or policy subsidizing. Can someone tell me if there is a way for the US to recoup subsidy…

I think it is taxes, what you’re looking for. Not to be snarky

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

#540
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Their goals are only 100/20mbps? I'd say that part is embarrassing. Given the amount of money involved, I'd have expected them to push for higher than that.

100/20 average is spectacular for those living in the US boonies. And they're the target. No one else comes even close. You can't run fiber there, can't mount towers everywhere.

>can't mount towers everywhere

How are you getting phone/power?

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