Live data from Hacker News

US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

reuters.com

331–340 of 773 posts

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

#331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it “maintained afloat” by government money, when it receives no subsidies? The only government payment for starlink that I am aware of is for the terminals in Ukraine.

If it recives no subsidies then not getting a $900M subsidy shouldn't be a surprise!

The comment said "continue to extract..". Try again.

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

#332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's fines and no evidence SpaceX was getting billions. The award amount is public and paid monthly

Sorry, I thought the award stated was annual, reading it more closely I see that it's not.

The amount everyones quoting is the full fat amount over the life of the contract.

You have to show you can do most of it yourself i.e raise the money.

After a %age deployment the FCC checks if you've met the deployment timeline and checks your speeds then starts paying you and keeps testing as you deploy according to the timeline.

You don't get a dime upfront.

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

#333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd rather the federal government just roll out fiber and not put Starlink and Elon in a position of power. That fiber will always be in the ground and available. Elon has shown himself to be unworthy of any position where trust and good judgement is required. If it costs more, that is a premium worth paying. Fool me once. https://www.internetforall.gov/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases...…

> Elon has shown himself to be unworthy of any position where trust and good judgement is required. That's an insane statement given the unprecedented success of SpaceX.

I don't follow

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

#334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair FSD is the hardest software problem that man has ever attempted.

I watched a panel discussion on self driving cars in 2015 with several legit experts in the technology (I believe Sebastian Thrun was one of them). There were also some CEOs. The experts all said there’s no way the tech would deploy before 2025, potentially later. The CEOs were saying 2018 or 2019. The experts had a clear view way back then, the CEOs just don’t want to listen.

Waymo deployed cars without safety drivers to Tempe in 2021.

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

#335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was not targeted. They are not able to meet the constraints written out in the law. Are you saying we should ignore the law as it was written and give them the hand out anyway?

Enough laws have been written that you are in violation of many of them by nature of existing. There are also plenty of contradictory laws still on the books which are not enforced because it's considered ridiculous to the judicial system. Judges don't like it, and prosecutors have better things to do like going after criminals. Perusing idiotic nonsense before putting all the murders and rapists in prison really doe…

The rule of law is important and trying to use nihilistic arguments to ignore the laws as they are written to give one of the world's richest people a free billion dollars even though his company is not able to provide the specified service defies all logic.

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

#336
post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any truth to the statement from two of the five FCC commissioners that SpaceX was not required to meet those benchmarks until 2025, and this is a political action?

Well - I may be biased, but I've been seeing a lot of claims from Republicans lately which do not closely match reality. Until there's actual evidence, I would be inclined to dismiss them.

You can read the requirements, then read the denial letter, the appeal (and denial) and dissents.

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

#337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it impressive that the government is actually punishing a project for running late and underdelivering. They should expand this to all parts of the government. Can you imagine if the F-35 was cancelled the first time it fell behind schedule? The Space Launch System? The Littoral Combat System? The USS JFK? So many boondoggles could be killed off before they spend money. Maybe contractors would have to start pr…

I think you may not understand what the government is. The government is a collection of individuals. It is not a single borg instance. Some individuals within that collection are going to act different than other ones. Also the government does a lot of funding through different mechanisms. Many miltiary programs are a cost+ program where they pay the contractor the cost of development plus a profit% so the initial b…

As if cost+ contracting hasn't been a major factor in projects going overbudget and behind schedule. Even with cost+ the contractor needs to provide an estimate up front of both the time and money needed. While it is understood that it is just an estimate, having projects come in for 5x or more of the original estimated cost is egregious. SLS for example was estimated to cost $1.5B, but instead costs $11.2B and still hasn't launched.

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

#338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was not targeted. They are not able to meet the constraints written out in the law. Are you saying we should ignore the law as it was written and give them the hand out anyway?

Enough laws have been written that you are in violation of many of them by nature of existing. There are also plenty of contradictory laws still on the books which are not enforced because it's considered ridiculous to the judicial system. Judges don't like it, and prosecutors have better things to do like going after criminals. Perusing idiotic nonsense before putting all the murders and rapists in prison really doe…

This isn't some arcane "no horse parking on Sundays" law. The whole purpose of the law is to deliver the specified speeds and the requirements are not being met.

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

#339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair FSD is the hardest software problem that man has ever attempted.

That's not being fair, that's making excuses. If the problem is that hard, don't be running your mouth about you'll have it done in six months, and charge people money while you work out the bugs.

Never did Musk say "We'll have it done in six months".

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

#340
post #16

I wish they’d bar companies that have failed to build out their rural service areas for more than a decade from accepting this money, and also that accepting the grant automatically granted you the appropriate right of way via imminent domain. It costs essentially nothing to lay fiber in the ground in most places (they have little portable boring machines, so you don’t even have to trench), and independent ISPs have…

eminent domain

Of what exactly? You want the Feds to pay 100's of billions for SpaceX? Instead of Fiber?
Post reply on HN