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You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by 10xDev »

Cpoll wrote: post #152
fngjdflmdflg wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The correlation of IQ with income is 0.30[0]. Educational attainment is 0.32. So if you are intelligent (talented) or educated then you are statistically likely to have above average income. If you have both even more so. [0] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01602... ( https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1016/j.intell.2007.02.... ) page 5 table 1.

That's correlation at best (as you said, but worth emphasizing). And IQ is a problematic metric for anything other than how good you are at taking IQ tests.

After a point, say 130 IQ, the differences between people's capacity become intangible. But there is certainly a big difference between someone under 80 IQ and someone with 130 IQ, which is why the US military doesn't even accept individuals under 80 IQ.

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

sneed_chucker wrote: post #181
cogman10 wrote: post #171

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> Some people are indeed much better. Anyone who played sports as a kid understands this. Anyone with a little bit of nutritional knowledge knows that having a nutritious diet is a major part of athletic competitiveness. Poverty limits or eliminates the ability of a parent to provide nutritious meals. There's certainly going to be a level of natural talent that exists, but everyone who comes from poverty are playing…

Lots of top athletes come from either poor countries or from poverty within non-poor countries. NFL teams are full of players who grew up in poverty and ate fast food and processed junk during the formative years of their lives.

I can also tell you I was homeless as a child and went to college on an athletic scholarship.

there's some truth here but it's being overblown.

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Post by yardstick »

goatsi wrote: post #163
dudul wrote: post #158

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That's one member of the family not being supportive. Doesn't equate to zero support from the whole family. The paragraph quoted above seems to imply that going back to her parents was an option.

Checking the article again it might have been one, but not one she was capable of taking at the time. "Back – or forward – to 2012, and as my world shrank into a tiny flat, as friends fell away and I started to isolate myself from my family in shame and self-loathing and depression"

Take a read through https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/07/jack-monroe-...

When she got pregnant she tried to hide it from her family (parents in particular) because she felt shame and feared the kid would be taken away.

Her parents fostered lots of kids and so she saw lots of kids going into the system and didn’t want that for hers. I disagree that would have happened, but understand how from her life experiences she may have thought that.

Similarly, once her parents did find out, they bought her lots of food to help her during the pregnancy as during that time she was very underweight.

She also shares parenting her sons father.

Again, all this is based on info from the Guardian article.

I lived in the UK during the period of her rise to fame and honestly I don’t remember her in the news. But that bit about it costing £3300/month to run her home (rent + services + food etc) seems rather high. You could easily get a 2 bed in London for under £2000/month plus expenses, so seems rather odd to be living in such an expensive area outside of London yet still cry poverty and woe-is-me.

It feels like a lot of it is due to her mental health - not just the ADHD, but general insecurities, and also alcoholism (drinks as both a symptom and cause).

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Post by wins32767 »

hasty_pudding wrote: post #33

One if the worst parts of poverty is that it steals all of your time! All your time is devoted to just surviving, so you can never really better you situation. You want to improve your situation? Not happening, you gotta work 60 hours this week so you cant study for that AWS cert or medical coding cert. Then the job you work is most likely dead end with no advancement or fake advancement. So you live pay check to pay…

> You literally are trapped by capitalism.

I'm not sure that capitalism is the creator of poverty. There have been poor throughout history and nearly all of them living in vastly worse material conditions than the poor in modern capitalist societies.

Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by iamthepieman »

dcist wrote: post #103
thiago_fm wrote: post #70

That's one big paradox. Coming from poverty, I work with plenty of talented people, but nowhere as talented as the people I've studied in shitty schools. Now most of those people from my poverty times continue to be poor, because of many problems poverty brought to them. I can clearly see that, and that I was the lucky one to find a way up many times. Yet, my new social circle believe that I'm talented because of my…

Some people are indeed much better. Anyone who played sports as a kid understands this. Huge differences are immediately apparent in small children. But generally, I agree that, for most life tasks, the differences between people are not enormous. Humanity could do a much better job eliminating poverty. In the future, we may view enormous disparities in wealth as evil as we do racism today.

My limited anecdata does not support this. The kids who are the best on my children's sport teams are the ones who play club sports in addition to the regular season, who go to sport camps and are on multiple teams. It's clear why they are better. They spend all their time not in class, playing or practicing.

Financially, we are at least peers to all these families that spend so much time on sports but we don't prioritize it the same way so my kids are mid level players.

Obviously genetic differences do account for some variability especially at the extremes. A 190cm sophomore is going to have an easier time on the basketball court than a 165cm kid.

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Post by bobthepanda »

michaelmrose wrote: post #154
gosub100 wrote: post #53

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In the US median household income is around 75k and average cost of out of pocket medical costs and insurance for a family is about 18k or about 1/4 of your income alongside the lower tax of at least 22% The UK has tax brackets like everyone else and the same family would pay about 27% income tax and about 8% of their income in vat. It looks like everyone but the very well off is worse off in the US. Keep in mind tha…

Housing to income is worse in the UK, particularly in London.

London has a house price to median income ratio of 13. The same figure is 10 in San Francisco.

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Post by collingreen »

bbor wrote: post #176
aurareturn wrote: post #170

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>Some people are indeed much better. At what? I consider myself a quick thinker and generally high IQ. But my sister has a way of connecting with children that I will never be able to replicate. So who is "much better"? And at what?

High IQ. I don’t believe in IQ but the commenters above are discussing inherent talents that our society chooses to reward. Ps, I personally don’t find “I’m smarter than you but at least you can do X” to be a super comforting thing. I’m sure that comment makes sense in your context with your sister, but I definitely bristle whenever I read it. Smacks of prideful engineers & scientists trying to appear nice while stil…

I think the comment you're replying to has the same sentiment, ie who is to say what "talent" is better than any other

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Post by simbolit »

WendyTheWillow wrote: post #178
lwhi wrote: post #139

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Better at sports .. but I bet there's a fairly even distribution between people who have money and don't. > In the future, we may view enormous disparities in wealth as evil as we do racism today. A lot of people already do.

And a lot of people would be very wrong. There’s a floor to survivability, below which you can’t keep yourself alive, but there is no ceiling. If everyone is above the floor, there’s no reason for concern about those looking for the ceiling. In the future we’ll pull people up to the floor, but that doesn’t require attaching a ceiling. The will never be a successful society that substantially punishes achievement abov…

>The[re] will never be a successful society....

As I do hold degrees in the field studying this very question, may I kindly ask for your sources? Or, not being greedy here, reasons...?

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Post by matthewmacleod »

WendyTheWillow wrote: post #178
lwhi wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better at sports .. but I bet there's a fairly even distribution between people who have money and don't. > In the future, we may view enormous disparities in wealth as evil as we do racism today. A lot of people already do.

And a lot of people would be very wrong. There’s a floor to survivability, below which you can’t keep yourself alive, but there is no ceiling. If everyone is above the floor, there’s no reason for concern about those looking for the ceiling. In the future we’ll pull people up to the floor, but that doesn’t require attaching a ceiling. The will never be a successful society that substantially punishes achievement abov…

I'm not really sure that "it's okay if the billionares have space palaces so long as the poor aren't literally dying" is the optimal economic philosophy.

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Post by yardstick »

screye wrote: post #87

Incredible writing. Reading this, I kept feeling a sense that something was missing. It wasn't until later in the blog that I hit me. "Where is her community?" To a 3rd world immigrant, the idea of being this isolated in your the country you were born in, feels unfathomable. Back home, It's common for kids to live with their parents until the kids are ready, often until age 25-30. Alternatively, people will stuff the…

> Jack really did suffer alone.

Not due to the lack of others help. Sure, one of her brothers didn’t help, but her parents fed her and helped her during her pregnancy. The father of the son shares responsibility. See the below Guardian article[1].

I get the feeling she is one of those people who is an exceptionally brilliant narrator, knows how to captivate and truly reach their audience. Like a lot of politicians and public figures.

1. https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/07/jack-monroe-...

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