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You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by ReptileMan »

It takes great amount of skill to be mostly right and still come out as extremely entitled and unsympathetic. She passes with flying colors.

But reading her wikipedia controversy section - exactly what I expect from professional activist turned grifter

>In a January 2023 interview with Simon Hattenstone in The Guardian, Monroe acknowledged that she had recklessly spent money given by backers; she claimed "I'd go online absolutely shitfaced and buy nice furniture."[56] Hattenstone wrote "The guru of thriftiness was chucking away tens of thousands of pounds, given to her by the public to support her work, on items she didn't even want, let alone need", noting that she didn't deny she'd "abused the goodwill of well-meaning backers".[13]

>Writing for Pink News in September 2022, Lily Wakefield noted that Monroe has "faced accusations of inventing experiences of living in poverty",[57] while in October 2022 Killian Fox noted in The Guardian that "critics claim that she makes herself out to be poorer than she actually is".[58][57] In January 2023, Kathleen Stock (writing for UnHerd) stated that Monroe was "wedded to a narrative of personal struggle and sudden dramatic changes of fortune, for better or worse" with an "inability to keep a story straight about whether she's really a downtrodden victim of a cruel system or rather #winningatlife", which had given rise to "an army of determined internet sleuths" and "a multi-headed hydra of critics on Twitter"

Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

fngjdflmdflg wrote: post #142
thiago_fm wrote: post #70

That's one big paradox. Coming from poverty, I work with plenty of talented people, but nowhere as talented as the people I've studied in shitty schools. Now most of those people from my poverty times continue to be poor, because of many problems poverty brought to them. I can clearly see that, and that I was the lucky one to find a way up many times. Yet, my new social circle believe that I'm talented because of my…

The correlation of IQ with income is 0.30[0]. Educational attainment is 0.32. So if you are intelligent (talented) or educated then you are statistically likely to have above average income. If you have both even more so. [0] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01602... ( https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1016/j.intell.2007.02.... ) page 5 table 1.

I didn't read the paper, but are we sure that A (wealth/education) follows B (IQ) and not vice versa?

Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by goatsi »

dudul wrote: post #158
goatsi wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"My brother was in the RAF last time we spoke, a couple of Christmases ago, when he described Iain Duncan Smith as the best thing to happen to this country and told me I had chosen to have a baby outside of marriage so deserved everything I got. It’s fair to describe us as ‘estranged’ these days." This is where I'm getting the family info from.

That's one member of the family not being supportive. Doesn't equate to zero support from the whole family. The paragraph quoted above seems to imply that going back to her parents was an option.

Checking the article again it might have been one, but not one she was capable of taking at the time.

"Back – or forward – to 2012, and as my world shrank into a tiny flat, as friends fell away and I started to isolate myself from my family in shame and self-loathing and depression"

Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by lb1lf »

3dprintscanner wrote: post #122

Would it not be better if they spent more money on wholesome things like oranges and wholemeal bread or if they even, like the writer of the letter to the New Statesman, saved on fuel and ate their carrots raw? Yes, it would, but the point is that no ordinary human being is ever going to do such a thing. The ordinary human being would sooner starve than live on brown bread and raw carrots. And the peculiar evil is th…

'The Road to Wigan Pier' and 'Down and Out in Paris and London' (also by Orwell) are the starkest accounts of poverty and what it does to you I have ever read.

Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by RationalDino »

Cpoll wrote: post #152
fngjdflmdflg wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The correlation of IQ with income is 0.30[0]. Educational attainment is 0.32. So if you are intelligent (talented) or educated then you are statistically likely to have above average income. If you have both even more so. [0] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01602... ( https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1016/j.intell.2007.02.... ) page 5 table 1.

That's correlation at best (as you said, but worth emphasizing). And IQ is a problematic metric for anything other than how good you are at taking IQ tests.

IQ measurement definitely has major flaws.. But IQ is better correlated with job performance than job interviews are.

As they say, perfect is the enemy of good. IQ tests are good. We do ourselves no favors by attempting to downplay what standardized testing tells us.

Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by ajkjk »

lwhi wrote: post #139
dcist wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people are indeed much better. Anyone who played sports as a kid understands this. Huge differences are immediately apparent in small children. But generally, I agree that, for most life tasks, the differences between people are not enormous. Humanity could do a much better job eliminating poverty. In the future, we may view enormous disparities in wealth as evil as we do racism today.

Better at sports .. but I bet there's a fairly even distribution between people who have money and don't. > In the future, we may view enormous disparities in wealth as evil as we do racism today. A lot of people already do.

Yeah seriously, it's pretty much standard at this point.

Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by scythe »

The author suggests her work applies to "obesity", but she is not obese. The obesity rate in the UK is 27%; the poverty rate is 17%, and I doubt the overlap is that strong (the link below supports me). Many of her examples in fact deal with people who can't afford things that aren't food, like a kitchen, or free time.

On the one hand, it's certainly true that the support for the poor is insufficient, but the price of food, being perhaps the lowest it has been in thousands of years in real terms, is probably the wrong lever to pull. Consequently, "food poverty" is a misclassification, since, while spending £7 per week on food, she probably spent more on transportation, housing and possibly clothing (which can be essential to actually getting work), and it would make more of a difference to tackle that. (She recounts severe problems getting a home!)

If she had been able to spend half as much on food, would that meaningfully improve her life? An extra £3.5 per week isn't yanking anyone out of poverty.

In fact, there is more evidence that obesity causes poverty than that poverty contributes to obesity! See:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5781054/

There are some suggestions that deficiencies in certain minerals, particularly zinc, which is most concentrated in relatively expensive foods like beef and oysters, are correlated with obesity and disordered eating. A bottle of zinc gluconate makes potatoes look like matsutake (at least at wholesale prices), but the safe and effective use of the supplements (avoiding overuse) is not well established or normally recommended.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12011-020-02060-8

The point I guess I want to make is that we should have compassion for the author, but that compassion should ignite the best faculties of our minds — the desire to really understand the problem, because that is where solutions come from.

Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by ska »

CPUstring wrote: post #141
thiago_fm wrote: post #70

That's one big paradox. Coming from poverty, I work with plenty of talented people, but nowhere as talented as the people I've studied in shitty schools. Now most of those people from my poverty times continue to be poor, because of many problems poverty brought to them. I can clearly see that, and that I was the lucky one to find a way up many times. Yet, my new social circle believe that I'm talented because of my…

Coming from the middle class, I've never met anybody talented coming from a shitty school who didn't also get filtered into a gifted program at a good school. Maybe your school system just wasn't competent at filtering people? Those that I know who have made bad life decisions (kids too early, dropping out of college, leaving extremely supportive parents) could totally have been expected to based off looking at GPA/S…

> I've never met

Quite.

Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by PuffinBlue »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #115

The first portion of this had me thinking constantly “this person must have ADHD”. It was almost a relief when it was mentioned. I feel like this is the dark side of the condition that isn’t talked about as much. If you have adhd, you are far more likely to wind up suicidal, in poverty, abusing drugs, etc. But these things occur on a spectrum. That is to say, far more of us still might not be in abject poverty, but t…

Yes I thought this too. Perhaps because it mirrored my experience of similar situations. I glad to see a comment like yours because it could mean we’re starting to recognise this condition in adult women a little more than we have been over the last few decades. That gives me hope! Not least because i have seen the horrible impact it can have if left untreated.

Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by aurareturn »

dcist wrote: post #103
thiago_fm wrote: post #70

That's one big paradox. Coming from poverty, I work with plenty of talented people, but nowhere as talented as the people I've studied in shitty schools. Now most of those people from my poverty times continue to be poor, because of many problems poverty brought to them. I can clearly see that, and that I was the lucky one to find a way up many times. Yet, my new social circle believe that I'm talented because of my…

Some people are indeed much better. Anyone who played sports as a kid understands this. Huge differences are immediately apparent in small children. But generally, I agree that, for most life tasks, the differences between people are not enormous. Humanity could do a much better job eliminating poverty. In the future, we may view enormous disparities in wealth as evil as we do racism today.

>Some people are indeed much better.

At what? I consider myself a quick thinker and generally high IQ. But my sister has a way of connecting with children that I will never be able to replicate.

So who is "much better"? And at what?

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