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You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by sneed_chucker »

cogman10 wrote: post #171
dcist wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people are indeed much better. Anyone who played sports as a kid understands this. Huge differences are immediately apparent in small children. But generally, I agree that, for most life tasks, the differences between people are not enormous. Humanity could do a much better job eliminating poverty. In the future, we may view enormous disparities in wealth as evil as we do racism today.

> Some people are indeed much better. Anyone who played sports as a kid understands this. Anyone with a little bit of nutritional knowledge knows that having a nutritious diet is a major part of athletic competitiveness. Poverty limits or eliminates the ability of a parent to provide nutritious meals. There's certainly going to be a level of natural talent that exists, but everyone who comes from poverty are playing…

Lots of top athletes come from either poor countries or from poverty within non-poor countries.

NFL teams are full of players who grew up in poverty and ate fast food and processed junk during the formative years of their lives.

Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by laurencerowe »

corobo wrote: post #150
CPUstring wrote: post #141

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Coming from the middle class, I've never met anybody talented coming from a shitty school who didn't also get filtered into a gifted program at a good school. Maybe your school system just wasn't competent at filtering people? Those that I know who have made bad life decisions (kids too early, dropping out of college, leaving extremely supportive parents) could totally have been expected to based off looking at GPA/S…

> I've never met anybody talented coming from a shitty school who didn't also get filtered into a gifted program I'm not sure I understand this one.. how would you know the gifted program missed them if they're now spending their life dealing with poverty? I'm guessing you don't mingle with the poors? I've never met anyone that lives their entire life in the middle of a rainforest. So weird! Also what the fuck is a g…

Gifted programs are American things. Talking to my California born partner it seems to be a kind of streaming thing. They don’t seem to have as much ability setting here as I was used to in UK (where for certain subjects classes are split by ability.)

Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by wouldbecouldbe »

galdosdi wrote: post #90
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #56

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Well, actually, 1) She brought up potatos merely because someone else brought up an argument about potatos. She ate many other things. RTFA. 2) Calories aren't everything. Nutrients matter. Potatos are actually cheaper than rice when you account for all the nutrition. So it would make sense to make potatos a significant part of your diet, while still also mixing in plenty of rice (and, crucially, beans). If you actua…

Dairy is cheaper if you want more nutrient, bit mixing with a bit of patotoes would not be a bad idea indeed.

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Post by DanHulton »

cogman10 wrote: post #171
dcist wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people are indeed much better. Anyone who played sports as a kid understands this. Huge differences are immediately apparent in small children. But generally, I agree that, for most life tasks, the differences between people are not enormous. Humanity could do a much better job eliminating poverty. In the future, we may view enormous disparities in wealth as evil as we do racism today.

> Some people are indeed much better. Anyone who played sports as a kid understands this. Anyone with a little bit of nutritional knowledge knows that having a nutritious diet is a major part of athletic competitiveness. Poverty limits or eliminates the ability of a parent to provide nutritious meals. There's certainly going to be a level of natural talent that exists, but everyone who comes from poverty are playing…

And the time of the year you're born, too! Holy shiiit this fucked me up as a kid.

I always thought I was just "bad at sports," but I was born in August, so I was playing against a lot of kids who had up to like 11 months of development on me. That's _huge_ when you're a little kid.

A lot of those kids were "indeed much better." Because they were nearly a full year older!

Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by 10xDev »

georgeecollins wrote: post #143
dcist wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people are indeed much better. Anyone who played sports as a kid understands this. Huge differences are immediately apparent in small children. But generally, I agree that, for most life tasks, the differences between people are not enormous. Humanity could do a much better job eliminating poverty. In the future, we may view enormous disparities in wealth as evil as we do racism today.

I don’t think the OP was saying that most people are the same, he was saying that most people have talent. In your sports analogy think about the kid who might be good at wrestling but terrible at track. And vice versa. The worry is that more affluent people sub-consciously see themselves as “better” in a universal way. That is not too different then European aristocracies used to see themselves.

I don't believe there is a special part of your brain that allows you to be good at say chess, but leaves you with no potential in football (soccer). Of course some people are naturally faster than others or have a higher endurance peak but anything that involves working with your mind comes down to working memory (incredibly important), long term memory and spatial reasoning. That's why you will often see people talented at one thing change careers and still be successful. A good example is a Norwegian grandmaster who was also a national team football player: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simen_Agdestein

Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

corobo wrote: post #150
CPUstring wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coming from the middle class, I've never met anybody talented coming from a shitty school who didn't also get filtered into a gifted program at a good school. Maybe your school system just wasn't competent at filtering people? Those that I know who have made bad life decisions (kids too early, dropping out of college, leaving extremely supportive parents) could totally have been expected to based off looking at GPA/S…

> I've never met anybody talented coming from a shitty school who didn't also get filtered into a gifted program I'm not sure I understand this one.. how would you know the gifted program missed them if they're now spending their life dealing with poverty? I'm guessing you don't mingle with the poors? I've never met anyone that lives their entire life in the middle of a rainforest. So weird! Also what the fuck is a g…

many schools in the US will take the most gifted students and put them in advanced classes. They typically move faster.

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Post by darkerside »

flipgimble wrote: post #109
_mh56 wrote: post #61

This keeps happening to me. I read a feelgood story, visit the wiki page and then realize how muddy the water is: >> Monroe has been described as an "austerity celebrity". In a January 2023 interview with Simon Hattenstone in The Guardian, Monroe acknowledged that she had recklessly spent money given by backers; she claimed "I'd go online absolutely shitfaced and buy nice furniture." Granted most poor people do stupi…

I think the story highlights a problem irrespective of the messenger. Some people cannot help but judge and opine on other's behavior where they have no context, or any moral basis to render that judement. We do this all the time in private, but politicians, or public figures, use the same propensity to pass devastating and life hampering policies, or inflame public opinion against a group of people. All I'm really h…

The problem is that sometimes humility and compassion are not what's needed. Sometimes a person needs a kick in the pants. A close friend willing to tell you to stop impulse buying furniture, or get a fucking job, or get off your ass and work out.

The tricky part is knowing when which tactic is called for.

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Post by bee_rider »

dcist wrote: post #103
thiago_fm wrote: post #70

That's one big paradox. Coming from poverty, I work with plenty of talented people, but nowhere as talented as the people I've studied in shitty schools. Now most of those people from my poverty times continue to be poor, because of many problems poverty brought to them. I can clearly see that, and that I was the lucky one to find a way up many times. Yet, my new social circle believe that I'm talented because of my…

Some people are indeed much better. Anyone who played sports as a kid understands this. Huge differences are immediately apparent in small children. But generally, I agree that, for most life tasks, the differences between people are not enormous. Humanity could do a much better job eliminating poverty. In the future, we may view enormous disparities in wealth as evil as we do racism today.

I don’t think it is obvious how much is talent, and how much is sort of… path dependent or something. We enjoy doing things we’re good at in general, so we do them more, and get more practice as a result.

Huge differences among small children could be something as arbitrary as “this kid is just under a year older, and as a result 10% more mature,” or “this kid has played a similar sport.”

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Post by [deleted] »

WendyTheWillow wrote: post #178
lwhi wrote: post #139

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Better at sports .. but I bet there's a fairly even distribution between people who have money and don't. > In the future, we may view enormous disparities in wealth as evil as we do racism today. A lot of people already do.

And a lot of people would be very wrong. There’s a floor to survivability, below which you can’t keep yourself alive, but there is no ceiling. If everyone is above the floor, there’s no reason for concern about those looking for the ceiling. In the future we’ll pull people up to the floor, but that doesn’t require attaching a ceiling. The will never be a successful society that substantially punishes achievement abov…

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Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by corobo »

laurencerowe wrote: post #182
corobo wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've never met anybody talented coming from a shitty school who didn't also get filtered into a gifted program I'm not sure I understand this one.. how would you know the gifted program missed them if they're now spending their life dealing with poverty? I'm guessing you don't mingle with the poors? I've never met anyone that lives their entire life in the middle of a rainforest. So weird! Also what the fuck is a g…

Gifted programs are American things. Talking to my California born partner it seems to be a kind of streaming thing. They don’t seem to have as much ability setting here as I was used to in UK (where for certain subjects classes are split by ability.)

Ahhh, gotcha. The focus on UK in the article and many comments put me in a UK-centric mindset. My bad there.

Aye we had splits in some subjects like that. Weirdly all the rich kids (for my town, mostly middle class really) were in the top classes and the poor kids in the bottom haha

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