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And we don't expect drivers to be adequately trained and get a licence? I disagree with calling the top level of Autopilot "FSD" by the way - I think that is misleading. But Autopilot - I think that's a fair term personally considering the context and historical use.
Do the driving licensure requirements in any state require knowing what the capabilities of Tesla Autopilot are?
I really wonder where we're headed (in general, not specifically with Teslas) regarding technologies requirements to "do enough to prevent misuse." These requirements are already a major thorn in my side. My car has sensors to detect when a passenger isn't wearing a seat belt and to blast an ear-hurting alarm directly at the driver. It's so loud that it's actually a safety issue in itself because it's hard to focus o…
> For example, if I put my backpack on the passenger seat Not trying to say that you're wrong, but an unsecured, heavy backpack is a real safety risk in even minor accidents. From the impact pattern, it's like having a pet or a baby in the front seat and not securing it.
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What exactly is the issue? That the guy has been recklessly opening his car door, while driving it, at speed, for his entire life?
Undocumented, non-standard, life-threatening software automation is bad?
Also, this is an adult. With grownish children. They are old enough to know the risk of OPENING THE DRIVERS DOOR AT 70 MPH, and it is no one’s responsibility to account for that, and the guy should know by now that even if it worked 10,000,000,000 times before, it is inherently risky and dangerous, and it will always be inherently risky and dangerous.
Like, the risk to reward ratio here is categorically insane. Use a cup, or maybe die? And they chose maybe die? And that’s a problem with the car? Huh?
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The issue is that its not safe to activate the emergency brake at highway speeds. It seems like an anti-safety feature.
I read a little about this system on jeeps. It seems to only happen under 1 mph, and stems from previous novel (faulty ux) shifter designs that led people to be run over by their own cars.
It is hard to believe the OPs story is entirely true, or wasn’t exaggerated.
More like the guy spilled some dip on himself while pulling out of the garage (because of the sudden halt) and it eventually turned into a “honey, i’m serious, I almost died” story because they were so embarrassed.
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And we don't expect drivers to be adequately trained and get a licence? I disagree with calling the top level of Autopilot "FSD" by the way - I think that is misleading. But Autopilot - I think that's a fair term personally considering the context and historical use.
> And we don't expect drivers to be adequately trained and get a licence? At the level of airline pilots??? This discussion has happened many, many times here on HN. Tesla's marketing is extremely misleading (and it's not the only case).
Because if so, it sounds like Autopilot would be a good word.
I think the term "Full Self Driving" is misleading, but comparing it to an Autopilot (i.e. a system which requires pilot input and care) seems correct.
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That's an emergency maneuver where you are trying to land an out of control vehicle, don't really see how it applies to the above scenario. So no its still not safe but neither is having no brakes.
A door opening on the highway is an emergency scenario, too. The car is correct to go “what the fuck?!”
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On the other hand, a couple of days ago I set the parking brake and absentmindedly walked out of a car with the automatic transmission still in reverse ... fortunately the brake held, I was behind the car going "huh, funny, the reverse lights are on ... oh, **!"
Yeah agreed, I'm not against all safety features. That one seems like a pretty straight forward safety solution though. If an auto transmission is still in gear, the parking break is on, and the key fob has left the vehicle, I think an attention-getting noise is appropriate in that case.
But yeah, I've been spoiled by modern fobs you don't even take out of your pocket. I really like those, that's the kind of convenience that makes you sign up for robot overlords ...
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> My car has sensors to detect when a passenger isn't wearing a seat belt and to blast an ear-hurting alarm directly at the driver. It's so loud that it's actually a safety issue in itself because it's hard to focus on driving when there is a blaring alarm in your face. You aren’t supposed to be driving until all occupants in your vehicle have buckled their seatbelts. That’s why the alarm is loud and annoying, becaus…
Did you read the rest of the post? A backpack shouldn't require a seat belt to drive. If there is going to be a sensor and response like this it should be done correctly.
Arguably, if your backpack is heavy enough to set off the sensor, it's probably a projectile hazard in itself and probably shouldn't be on the seat and instead in a foot well or in the cargo area.
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I read your comment, hyperbole and all. The seat belt dinging is a minor inconvenience. The key fob honking can probably be controlled via your car settings. I turned the honking off on my car, now it softly dings at me once. You're being very, very dramatic, is my point. If the seat belt alarm is that ear splitting, you might want to talk to a doctor?
There wasn't any hyperbole. It's loud enough that it is physically painful , not just annoying. And if you read what I said, it's not the "occasional beep", it's a continual blast of loud tones. And I already looked through the car settings for the horn, and it can't be turned off. Some people on the internet have figured out how to hack it off with OBD2, but if that's what you're suggesting then that's ludicrous and…
No offense, but if you haven’t, you might consider anti-anxiety or similar drugs. Not saying it isn’t real, or that it’s your fault, but there is a big difference between it being real and it being entirely caused by the car.
Is there some reason you can’t simply sell your car and get a different one? For the amount of pain you say you are in, this seems like an easy and direct solution?