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Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws
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Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed. I heard a story about a guy who is used to chewing tobacco while driving and would crack open the door and spit while moving at speed. He tried doing this in his son's new jeep and the car immediately slammed on the brakes and nearly caused an accident. Obviously cracking the door to spit out the bottom isn't too safe but slamming on the brakes? What why?
What exactly is the issue? That the guy has been recklessly opening his car door, while driving it, at speed, for his entire life?
Slamming on the brakes seems like an over-reaction. Nobody is arguing opening the door at speed is safe, but an unexpected brake application isn't safe either.
A more appropriate measure would be a loud and annoying alarm. Or a steering wheel shaker (like many lane-keeping systems already have).
Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws
#153I really wonder where we're headed (in general, not specifically with Teslas) regarding technologies requirements to "do enough to prevent misuse." These requirements are already a major thorn in my side. My car has sensors to detect when a passenger isn't wearing a seat belt and to blast an ear-hurting alarm directly at the driver. It's so loud that it's actually a safety issue in itself because it's hard to focus o…
> My car has sensors to detect when a passenger isn't wearing a seat belt and to blast an ear-hurting alarm directly at the driver. It's so loud that it's actually a safety issue in itself because it's hard to focus on driving when there is a blaring alarm in your face. You aren’t supposed to be driving until all occupants in your vehicle have buckled their seatbelts. That’s why the alarm is loud and annoying, becaus…
Besides as the sibling pointed out the backpack, what do you do when you're driving 80 on the highway and a kid unbuckles? Do you slam on your breaks, cruise to the shoulder, and sit in a dangerous place on the highway while having an argument with a 4-year old? If the goal is to keep everybody safe (including the kid), that would be terrible, terrible advice.
Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws
#154I'm on my fifth Tesla now and I drive a lot. The switch from radar to pure vision has been really disruptive and annoying, especially in tight spaces like a garage. If this ends up causing more nagging, the value of having autopilot will simply be worth the "costs". I used FSD beta and while it's a cool party trick, I just don't trust it enough to use every single day compared to using basic autopilot.
I've driven with GM's Super Cruise (Escalade) and it's about 80 percent the same as basic autopilot. The interior quality is much better but you're in a GM vehicle which are kind of known to be ticking-time bombs.
Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws
#155Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
its not a malicious term its the NHTSA legal term, and what tesla will call it too when they mail out owner notification letters about the problem in February to anyone with a : model y (20-23) model x (16-23) model s (12-23) model 3 (17-23)
Pretty sure this is a government subsidy for the post office
Not to mention a tax on the company. You have to do all of these mailings no matter what!
NVM the fact that customers will get them months after the work has automatically been done. :facepalm
Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws
#157We should either stop calling these recalls, or news sites should announce iOS and Android updates in a similar manner also > Apple is recalling 45 Brazilion iPhones and iPads to fix software flaw
Tesla shouldn't call their driver assist system "Autopilot" either, but here we are.
Why do people never say this about Nissan and "ProPILOT"?
Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not. As pointed out, opening and re-closing isn't uncommon, especially in winter. Stop defending nannyfying conditioning.
Sorry, a person's right to be a complete moron (opening a door while a car is moving) doesn't trump everyone else's right to not be endangered by said moron.
There are a lot of reasons you might have to open and the close the door while driving, for example if your jacket or something got caught in the door and you don't realize it until you're on the road. Done that many times, it's not unsafe except if the car decides to auto-brake.
Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws
#159Still calling over the air software updates recalls?
The number of people in this comment section that are getting hung up on the word recall without looking into established usage and legal definitions of the word is nuts.
I'm not referring to this specific recall here, but, it does get weird in Tesla's case.
Years ago, Tesla issued an update that added some features to show warnings in certain cases. It previously showed no warnings because the feature didn't exist. It was net new.
NHTSA warned them that this net new feature improved safety and was therefore a recall by definition. Ever since then, "recall" has been heavily overused, IMO. Virtually every update is a "recall" by the technical definition. :facepalm
Using "recall" for what they are defining as a safety defect is, of course, reasonable, even if it is just a software update.
Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
By the same logic you could say that airplanes shouldn't call their pilot assist system "Autopilot" either, because it requires monitoring and input from pilots who will need to disengage the system and intervene/fly manually in certain scenarios. Autopilot is probably actually quite a good term for it if you actually compare it to a plane Autopilot - you don't expect pilots to be inattentive or away from the control…
Not comparable at all. Airplanes are flown by trained professionals who know exactly what Autopilot can and cannot do. Regular consumers don't know these differences though and Tesla deliberately uses this ambiguity to deceive their own customers, who expect a "fully self driving" car.
In most states no training at all is required to operate a boat, and I don’t think there are any specific requirements around autopilot.
The earliest autopilot for boats was built in the 1800s.