>> IP logs from a forum for programmers obtained by 404 Media I am more interested in what forums is turning over their IP logs to the media, what the privacy policy was for that forum, and if other members of that forum know this is happening
Hi, I'm the forum admin who banned Sizovs for suckpuppeting a few years ago: https://lobste.rs/s/s67tjc/don_t_learn_too_many_things#c_nfn... I know this is pure whataboutism ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism ), but I don't have any duty to keep the secrets of sockpuppeting spammers; the forum privacy policy is short and unambiguous. No members have expressed concerns over me banning his accounts in 2019, i…
Backlash over fake female speakers shuts down developer conference
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Re: Backlash over fake female speakers shuts down developer conference
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
My ideal world state is one where there is no race or gender based discrimination. The way to get closer to that ideal is to condemn race or gender based discrimination. What's problematic about that?
What is problematic about that is that you don't fix existing discrimination by just condemning something while pretending that just as long as you don't make it worse you're not perpetuating the effects of what is there. In other words, if you run a conference and everyone who applies to speak is a white man, and you don't ask yourself why and what you can do to make that more reflective of society, you're helping t…
I do know women in tech that don't want to be a "woman in tech". Sounds like it would not make sense, but it does if you actually listen to them. This is not gatekeeping, the perspective is just different and it is incompatible with yours.
As well as not perpetuating discrimination is incompatible with your perspective.
To assume that people are drawn in by role models also discriminates for certain types of personality for that matter and it is enough for you to justify further discrimination. I don't think that is enough information based on evidence.
Not the conference is discriminating, you are.
Re: Backlash over fake female speakers shuts down developer conference
#123so top male speakers are attracted by fake female speakers. what does that say about them top male speakers?
... That they prefer to speak in spaces that make an effort to be diverse, in solidarity with those from underrepresented groups? Why take the least charitable view?
Re: Backlash over fake female speakers shuts down developer conference
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Same niche, same city. Got to assume the organisers for one are dodgy then. Just curious, what cities have multiple user groups for the same niche? > Generalisations work just fine too, but we both know you're using generalisations to avoid defending the case referenced in the article that you know is indefensible. You're not fooling anyone. Case in point: Bad faith comment. I am not defending the case referenced,…
> Got to assume the organisers for one are dodgy then. Or they have, like you, assumed there's little they can do, and have kept making the same excuses you made, and women have seen the lack of representation when they've attended, and not felt encouraged to stick their necks out. I happen to know the organisers of the one that regularly had women speaking, and 1) they included a woman in the steering group, 2) they…
I'm referring to this.
"The point is that if you genuinely want to address diversity, and your applicant pool isn't diverse, then you need to look beyond your applicant pool"
There is no way to look at that statement other than you would not hire someone out of your applicant pool but instead headhunt to hire someone for diversity purposes. I hope you never get take to an employment tributional because these sort of statements will almost certainly result in your losing and if you're working for a company facing problems internally.
> After you've given excuses for why it's totally reasonable that people don't have women in their applicant pools. You can dress this up however you want, the reality is that it comes across as a clear defense of events failing to take steps to get diverse lineups. I'm sure you don't even think you're doing this, but it was very noticeable.
To be honest, you've came into this discussion with a bias and a preconvieced idea. Opinions such as this about me only ever come from men who want to virtue signal. These are often met with laugther when I tell women about them.
There is a simple fact, I've explained to you multiple times your suggestion as quoted above is sexist and racist and is illegal and you continue to act like me explaining the law is somehow me being prejudice againist women.
Quite simply this isn't dressing anything up. This is the law. THE LAW. There are many companies who would fire you for gross misconduct for breaking that law.
Re: Backlash over fake female speakers shuts down developer conference
#125>> IP logs from a forum for programmers obtained by 404 Media I am more interested in what forums is turning over their IP logs to the media, what the privacy policy was for that forum, and if other members of that forum know this is happening
Hi, I'm the forum admin who banned Sizovs for suckpuppeting a few years ago: https://lobste.rs/s/s67tjc/don_t_learn_too_many_things#c_nfn... I know this is pure whataboutism ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism ), but I don't have any duty to keep the secrets of sockpuppeting spammers; the forum privacy policy is short and unambiguous. No members have expressed concerns over me banning his accounts in 2019, i…
Re: Backlash over fake female speakers shuts down developer conference
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hi, I'm the forum admin who banned Sizovs for suckpuppeting a few years ago: https://lobste.rs/s/s67tjc/don_t_learn_too_many_things#c_nfn... I know this is pure whataboutism ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism ), but I don't have any duty to keep the secrets of sockpuppeting spammers; the forum privacy policy is short and unambiguous. No members have expressed concerns over me banning his accounts in 2019, i…
You did the right thing. Thanks.