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GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by sokoloff »

nottorp wrote: post #273
urbandw311er wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s interesting how you correctly identify that this is a massive play for control by Apple and Google, and yet you still seem to sympathise with their position! I can completely understand why vehicle manufacturers are so wary. Just look at the history of how Apple, Google, etc companies have behaved when it comes to “partnerships”. Look at the App Store. Look at what Google did to supposedly open source Android. I…

Yea but CarPlay and android auto work :) I have little compassion for poor GM not being able to upsell me a touch screen system that doesn’t work

What Nissan did was say “if you want leather interior, you have to buy the package that includes our awful touchscreen nav”.

They sold a lot of nav units that way (and that’s about the only way, IMO).

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by kbf »

rezonant wrote: post #226
valgaze wrote: post #88

July 2022: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/22/apple-carplay-could-be-a-tro... Not sure how they arrived at the number (maybe only new vehicles), but there was a claim that 79% of US carbuyers would insist on carplay support Apple engineering manager Emily Schubert said 98% of new cars in the U.S. come with CarPlay installed. She delivered a shocking stat: 79% of U.S. buyers would only buy a car if it supported CarPlay.…

I have to assume they meant 79% of US consumers who use iPhone, since only about 60% of the US uses iPhone, and Carplay specifically is useless to the remaining 40%. Or perhaps they were grouping in AA under the covers.

When I last heard this stat it specified that it was buyers of new cars and that iPhone users are over-represented in that group.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by csixty4 »

imp0cat wrote: post #236
jacquesm wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> every time you need to do something it locks you out for 5 seconds to look at the road Whoever came up with that wasn't entirely right in the head: so now people will stare at the device for another five seconds wondering what they did wrong. Sound of impact.

Or just push the button on your steering wheel and use voice control. You (mostly) do not have to touch the screen at all.

I would use voice control more to pick my music if it would stop misinterpreting me. When I ask for my XYZ playlist on Youtube Music, I'm not asking for the song X by some artist I've never heard of. And when I ask for directions to a place I go to at least once a week, it shouldn't try to navigate me to somewhere halfway across the state.

It's just not reliable enough for everyday use.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by antoinealb »

dontlaugh wrote: post #298
lycopodiopsida wrote: post #264

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As an observation point - I drive a company car (a BMW) and will be looking for a new car next year. I would not even considers Volvo until they support wireless CarPlay. GM must very much believe in appeal of their car to piss off android and iOS users simultaneously.

Don't you need to plug in your phone anyway to charge it? And what about switching drivers and quickly switching phones? Or just having the passenger quickly switch to their music.

Well a lot of cars have a wireless charging pad available in the phone holder, so you just drop your phone there and it starts charging / connects to Android Auto.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

urbandw311er wrote: post #260
bastard_op wrote: post #156

Automobile companies tried for years to make a decent infotainment system in cars, and almost universally they were all terrible no matter how expensive the vehicle. Finally Android Auto and CarPlay gave everyone what they wanted - decent access to music on their phone, call capabilities that actually work, and program integration with things they actually use with internet service they already have. Then manufacture…

It’s interesting how you correctly identify that this is a massive play for control by Apple and Google, and yet you still seem to sympathise with their position! I can completely understand why vehicle manufacturers are so wary. Just look at the history of how Apple, Google, etc companies have behaved when it comes to “partnerships”. Look at the App Store. Look at what Google did to supposedly open source Android. I…

I sympathize with my need to have a proper car display.

I have a Toyota RAV4 from 2 years ago and the display is straight from the '80s.

I had to use the gps ONCE and I almost crashed into a trashbin because I had to manually follow the car pointer as it was leaving the display. Yes, that's right.

If I was Apple or Google, I would make GM execs use a 15 years old version and make it cash I've a day. Revenge.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by mngdtt »

epolanski wrote: post #297
mngdtt wrote: post #287

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I think you need to upgrade your phone. I have never had these issues with a (more or less recent) iPhone.

The idea that I have to upgrade my perfectly working phone to get a better infotainment experience sounds ridiculous. Also, as I stated, I'm perfectly fine with the out-of-the-box experience of the infotainment in both my cars. There's radio, there's maps, that's all I really need.

If it's sluggish then it's not working perfectly.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by lycopodiopsida »

dontlaugh wrote: post #298
lycopodiopsida wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an observation point - I drive a company car (a BMW) and will be looking for a new car next year. I would not even considers Volvo until they support wireless CarPlay. GM must very much believe in appeal of their car to piss off android and iOS users simultaneously.

Don't you need to plug in your phone anyway to charge it? And what about switching drivers and quickly switching phones? Or just having the passenger quickly switch to their music.

I have a build-in charging pad, which I almost never use, since modern smartphone batteries are just good enough to survive a day.

Every driver (me and my wife) is in the system and car selects the iphone available in the car, but I can also switch it manually if required.

The passengers have in general to stay off my infotainment system, they can do whatever they want in their own car :)

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by rightbyte »

DannyBee wrote: post #66
conk wrote: post #41

“Essentially, the thinking is that if a car’s in-built infotainment system is good enough, drivers will be less likely to use their phone for what they’re trying to do while they’re behind the wheel” If the car company makes me pay for another subscription to get Nav data or stream music then by default the infotainment system is not good enough. I’m tired of companies thinking just because I bought their product I’m…

In this case they think you are okay with 135/month. "Alan Wexler, GM’s senior VP of innovation and growth, said previously the automaker’s own internal research indicates that most new vehicle owners would be willing to pay up to $135 per month for various subscription-based apps and features for their vehicle."

That is lunacy? Unless "engine starts" and "release handbrake" is a subscription and there is a hefty discount on the upfront price. But then you can just as well lease.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by sokoloff »

lupusreal wrote: post #294
bastard_op wrote: post #156

Automobile companies tried for years to make a decent infotainment system in cars, and almost universally they were all terrible no matter how expensive the vehicle. Finally Android Auto and CarPlay gave everyone what they wanted - decent access to music on their phone, call capabilities that actually work, and program integration with things they actually use with internet service they already have. Then manufacture…

> decent access to music on their phone, call capabilities that actually work, and program integration with things they actually use with internet service they already have. I am convinced all of these things are unsafe. I refuse to take calls when driving over bluetooth; distracting yourself with a conversation when you're supposed to be driving is reckless and I think this is doubly true when it's a phone conversat…

I think GPS screen-based nav is safer than voice-based for any complex interchange situation. Showing me at a glance which lane I need to be in and what my overall path/goal will be is better (at least for me, but I think for loads of people) than describing the same over voice commands.

Voice both takes longer and is subject to being pushed to you at the wrong moment where info from a screen can be pulled on demand and quickly.

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