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GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by contact9879 »

wavemode wrote: post #180
pmg102 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no obligation to buy a new one. Keep your existing cars on the road or replace them with other low mileage used ones. I bet repair costs on used are less than depreciatiom + finance costs on new, and there's pleasure to be gained from a retro aesthetic.

This is what everyone said to me when phones started losing their headphone jacks (purely so that phone makers could sell overpriced wireless earbuds). But eventually old phones stop working on the new network and you realize every major new phone has followed suit in the cash grab. sigh

A USB-C to headphone adapter is $5.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by xyst »

GM is a company known for laying off workers when their quarterly projections are not met or exceeded. Usually starts with their in house tech side because you know they are a CAR company after all. Have worked with many former GM employees through boom and bust cycles.

GM, Ford, and any auto manufacturer need to stay in their lane. They can build physical cars. But building anything in the digital world and they fall flat. For decades these companies had their own "infotainment" systems and each no better than the competition. From what I have heard from former employees, before AA/AC, the work for maintaining and building those systems was often farmed out to bottom tier contracting companies

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

pmg102 wrote: post #146
bluefirebrand wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am dreading the future of cars, where they somehow are worse than a car I could buy right now but also I have to pay a monthly subscription for the worse experience. The enshittification of everything is making me want to go berserk.

There's no obligation to buy a new one. Keep your existing cars on the road or replace them with other low mileage used ones. I bet repair costs on used are less than depreciatiom + finance costs on new, and there's pleasure to be gained from a retro aesthetic.

ICE vehicles can be legislatively removed from the roads or so burdened with fees and regulations that they cease to be viable for anyone other than a collector. They can't do it today because the percentage of ICE vehicles is too high but as EV market share grows, green laws can get far more aggressive. Just look at what happened during the pandemic in the name of safety. Now look at you ICE vehicle's tailpipe. That's the new method of control over you and your vehicle and the precedent has already been set that's it's an ok thing for them to do as long as they can drum up the level of hysteria, which they're now quite experienced at doing.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by dmitrygr »

drevil-v2 wrote: post #200
alexvoda wrote: post #136

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Wake me up when you can open the glove compartment without drilling down a menu on a touchscreen because that is certainly not what I call good UI.

Press right button on steering wheel - say "open glovebox". Works every time in a split second even with my terrible English accent

Personally, I am impressed that you can say that phrase in a split second. Takes me at least a second and a half. Which is a second longer than pressing the glovebox open button in my boring old car.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by gambiting »

bastard_op wrote: post #156

Automobile companies tried for years to make a decent infotainment system in cars, and almost universally they were all terrible no matter how expensive the vehicle. Finally Android Auto and CarPlay gave everyone what they wanted - decent access to music on their phone, call capabilities that actually work, and program integration with things they actually use with internet service they already have. Then manufacture…

Just an anecdote - I own a Volvo XC60(with Sensus not AAOS) and 99% of the time I'd rather just use the built-in OS than Android Auto - AA is slow to respond and imprecise(clicks are almost always recognized as swipes rather than clicks, problem which doesn't happen in the built-in OS), and every time you need to do something it locks you out for 5 seconds to look at the road, even though it's my passenger using it. The integrated navigation and Spotify work great and don't give me this minimalistic interface of AA that is barely usable.

Like, I get that it's a great solution in a lot of cars. But I don't think it's universally true that "no one" wants to use the built in system - I definitely do.

>>just so they can sell subscriptions for seat heaters and music players.

Yes, that is absolutely horrendous trend that I hope we manage to stop - but I suspect we won't, the genie is out of the bottle now so to speak.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by jemmyw »

wavemode wrote: post #180
pmg102 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no obligation to buy a new one. Keep your existing cars on the road or replace them with other low mileage used ones. I bet repair costs on used are less than depreciatiom + finance costs on new, and there's pleasure to be gained from a retro aesthetic.

This is what everyone said to me when phones started losing their headphone jacks (purely so that phone makers could sell overpriced wireless earbuds). But eventually old phones stop working on the new network and you realize every major new phone has followed suit in the cash grab. sigh

You can still get a Sony Xperia flagship with a headphone jack and SD card support. I've got one, it's pretty good.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by gambiting »

contact9879 wrote: post #201
wavemode wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what everyone said to me when phones started losing their headphone jacks (purely so that phone makers could sell overpriced wireless earbuds). But eventually old phones stop working on the new network and you realize every major new phone has followed suit in the cash grab. sigh

A USB-C to headphone adapter is $5.

And occupies your USB-C port, which you might want to use at the same time for charging while listening to music(I do while I'm in bed, I'm sure I'm not the only person who does this).

My biggest issue with it is that it's been sold to us on a lie - the whole nonsense about "reclaiming the space" - it's BS. There is space for it in nearly every phone on the market.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by askvictor »

sublinear wrote: post #177
bastard_op wrote: post #156

Automobile companies tried for years to make a decent infotainment system in cars, and almost universally they were all terrible no matter how expensive the vehicle. Finally Android Auto and CarPlay gave everyone what they wanted - decent access to music on their phone, call capabilities that actually work, and program integration with things they actually use with internet service they already have. Then manufacture…

For what it's worth, most vehicles still have aftermarket dash panels and wiring harnesses so you can install whatever you want. Way less of a compromise than buying an older vehicle, but I wouldn't expect some of the control integrations with the steering wheel and other displays to work though. Really in retrospect nothing has changed from the days double-din was standard apart from some extra steps. Does anyone kn…

Do they really? Most recent cars I've seen have a touchscreen LCD popping up out of the dash and it all looks rather custom. Are there some kind of standards like double-DIN?

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by tybulewicz »

laichzeit0 wrote: post #193

Uh, yeah.. no. I want a dumb display that lets me use wireless CarPlay and physical knobs for everything else. It's like the people making these decisions don't actually drive cars.

You're right, they are being driven by their limo drivers.
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