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GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by brandonagr2 »

KerrAvon wrote: post #26
threatofrain wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately consumers don't really punish companies for doing these kinds of things, at least I presume that's the story since high-end cars often have very shitty in-car computer experiences, like BMW or Porsche.

All car infotainment systems are essentially garbage. But BMW and Porsche both have excellent CarPlay support.

The infotainment screen in my Tesla is great. Just the other day I had to drive a relatives car and used google maps navigation on my phone, I was amazed at how subpar google maps navigation is compared to tesla (lacking ability to quickly overview route, missing lane based navigation, screen never auto recenters as you drive)

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by MBCook »

covercash wrote: post #22
vondur wrote: post #2

I won’t consider a car that doesn’t support CarPlay. This is going to backfire on Gam big time.

9to5mac polled their (obviously biased) audience and 80% said they wouldn’t consider a car without CarPlay. I wonder how Android Auto users feel since GM’s software is basically going to be their own hard baked version of AA… all your settings will probably sync but I think I’d still rather just plug my phone in and let it handle my data.

A few years ago Apple said that 95% of car buyers want CarPlay based on some industry survey.

I’m actually surprised 9 to 5 Mac got a number as low as 80%.

Tesla is the only real brand to be able to get away with it, and I suspect a lot of that is because they were the only big electric car brand for a long time (people never seemed to consider the volt/bolt or leaf).

Rivian is trying the same thing, but they’re very small. I’m not sure about other relatively small manufacturers like Lucid.

Of the major brands it’s now Tesla, who is slightly special and has good developers, and GM. Against the entire rest of the industry.

They’re doomed.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by MBCook »

ungamedplayer wrote: post #6
vondur wrote: post #2

I won’t consider a car that doesn’t support CarPlay. This is going to backfire on Gam big time.

I imagine quite a lot of people will be. There might be room for after market head unit replacement for these new models.

Is that really possible anymore on modern vehicles that come with fancy screens?

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by DannyBee »

J_Shelby_J wrote: post #24

what will win; the best ux design teams in the world or the finance bros that have become GM. No question mark because it’s not a question. The sooner that realize they’re a tape deck aux in with a motor attached, the better for everyone involved.

They think people are willing to pay 135 a month in software subscriptions for their car.

That's what they think their research shows.

They are so far gone it's astonishing

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by DannyBee »

conk wrote: post #41

“Essentially, the thinking is that if a car’s in-built infotainment system is good enough, drivers will be less likely to use their phone for what they’re trying to do while they’re behind the wheel” If the car company makes me pay for another subscription to get Nav data or stream music then by default the infotainment system is not good enough. I’m tired of companies thinking just because I bought their product I’m…

In this case they think you are okay with 135/month.

"Alan Wexler, GM’s senior VP of innovation and growth, said previously the automaker’s own internal research indicates that most new vehicle owners would be willing to pay up to $135 per month for various subscription-based apps and features for their vehicle."

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by brandonagr2 »

YPPH wrote: post #21

The major advantage of AA/CP is they are simple screen projection protocols capable of being supported for decades. The "brains" of the system, namely the phone, can be easily upgraded as technology changes. People will get new phones. Operating systems will be upgraded. Apps will come and go. Maps will update. The system will keep working flawlessly. This can't happen with fixed hardware in vehicle - the firmware an…

My car updates every month over the air, so the firmware and apps are never outdated (at least within the life of my ownership of the car, which will be less than 6 years probably)

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by brandonagr2 »

mgarfias wrote: post #16

you know whats unsafe? Getting rid of physical buttons and putting everything on a touch screen with no tactile feedback and constantly changing the position of things - looking at you tesla. All things considered though: im not likely to buy any new car. I'd rather buy an old and busted early 70s boat, and stuff in modern running gear.

Maybe you missed them, but there are actually physical buttons in a Tesla, I use the tactile physical buttons constantly, the scroll wheels to control volume / audio and cruise. The other common buttons are turn signals which are under your left thumb and have tactile feedback. What other buttons are you pushing constantly?

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by brandonagr2 »

mullingitover wrote: post #56
dreamcompiler wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In almost every car I turn the screen as close to off as possible and just use my phone for navigation and music. The Tesla is the only exception: Their software is good enough to use rather than automatically ignore.

Ehh, hard disagree. I rented a Tesla for a few days. I didn't have time to spend an hour learning their UX before driving off in it, and I expected the Coca Cola of EVs to have intuitive controls. Huge mistake , I came away with the impression that Teslas are designed by people who don't actually drive cars, and I was thrilled to get back to Carplay and sane Honda ergonomics.

What were you unable to figure out? To navigate you tap the large NAVIGATE text box and enter a destination.
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