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Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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Post by tlamponi »

ThinkBeat wrote: post #58
coldbrewed wrote: post #4

My heart goes out to all of the institutions that are about to get hammered by this change, but I would by lying if I said I wasn't excited about a potential increase in investment in open source cloud virtualization infrastructure. Proxmox seems poised to benefit from this; is Openstack in a situation where it could be reasonably rolled out as a substitute for vSphere without requiring significant staff increases?

proxmox is presently not an alternative to the VMWare stack. Not even close. Converting from the VMWare stack⭢ proxmox would be a giant shitshow. I have been a paying user of WMware personally since the beginning and I have worked on their enterprise stack for several years. With the changes being made I cant see myself wanting to spend any personal money on it I and I would not recommend someone to start fresh with…

We have many happy customers successfully converting from VMWare to Proxmox VE just fine, what's missimg for your usecase?

Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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Post by happytiger »

fxtentacle wrote: post #67

Soon we will have reached the point where software piracy is the only way not to build your company on digital quicksand. I sincerely hope we never get there because it would ruin the commercial software market, which did produce amazing tools in the past. But by now, it certainly looks like major participants are boosting their last remaining quarters (before the company implodes) by scorching the earth they walk on…

It’s could be a great day for Open Source software.

Maybe we need to adapt Open Source so that cloud providers who use it have to pay for continued development instead of just using it for free or putting a control panel on top of something and calling it their own product, but that’s the solution we came up with the first time proprietary software vendors started trying to lock the universe down into perpetual upgrade nonsense.

Perhaps it’s time to revisit Open Source licenses with a fresh, sharp pencil and an eye towards making all these systems compete with cooperative, collective-interest development again. We definitely need to find models that don’t cut the investment valuation so hard, as that’s been a huge problem for the Open Source companies.

Down markets and cost saving periods are when Open Source has seen massive adoption, as companies look to save money…

Maybe I’m wrong but it’s been on my mind a lot lately.

Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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Post by xbar »

HHad3 wrote: post #63

This is unfortunate. The writing was on the wall already with vSphere+, but I can't really commit to a subscription for VM infrastructure. Broadcom would be able to hold the whole company hostage with price increases. I’m not sure yet where we'll end up, but the small cluster of 8 machines of ours will not run vSphere in 2025.

Their pricing model seems designed to make you leave. I wish you well.

Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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Post by ARandomerDude »

natbennett wrote: post #24

You know, I always used to think that e.g. Amazon talking about “customer obsession” was stupid. Of course a business is focused on its customers? That’s where the money comes from? Then I got to see the conversation about subscriptions at VMware. The storyline was always “wouldn’t it be great for us if we switched to subscriptions? Look how good all the math gets!” The customer barely appeared as a background charac…

Amazon Prime is a subscription though. It seems Amazon and VMware are in many ways similar in that regard.

Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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Post by pashadee »

ThinkBeat wrote: post #58
coldbrewed wrote: post #4

My heart goes out to all of the institutions that are about to get hammered by this change, but I would by lying if I said I wasn't excited about a potential increase in investment in open source cloud virtualization infrastructure. Proxmox seems poised to benefit from this; is Openstack in a situation where it could be reasonably rolled out as a substitute for vSphere without requiring significant staff increases?

proxmox is presently not an alternative to the VMWare stack. Not even close. Converting from the VMWare stack⭢ proxmox would be a giant shitshow. I have been a paying user of WMware personally since the beginning and I have worked on their enterprise stack for several years. With the changes being made I cant see myself wanting to spend any personal money on it I and I would not recommend someone to start fresh with…

If there is a shit show, it is ESXi. I know plenty who've migrated pain free to Proxmox. Back-up works great too. All for free.

VMware has a ton of stuff that others are nowhere near, although those offerings are useful for a minority who, as you say, will have to bite the bullet.

Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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Post by EvanAnderson »

fuzzylightbulb wrote: post #66
ThinkBeat wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

proxmox is presently not an alternative to the VMWare stack. Not even close. Converting from the VMWare stack⭢ proxmox would be a giant shitshow. I have been a paying user of WMware personally since the beginning and I have worked on their enterprise stack for several years. With the changes being made I cant see myself wanting to spend any personal money on it I and I would not recommend someone to start fresh with…

Microsoft is ending mainstream support of Hyper-V Server 2019 on January 9, 2024 and extended support will end on January 9, 2029. Hyper-V Server 2019 will be the last version of this product and Microsoft is encouraging customers to transition to Azure Stack HCI.

Hyper-V as a role you can install on Windows Server is not being discontinued. They're discontinuing the no cost SKU but the feature isn't going away.

Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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Post by EvanAnderson »

ThinkBeat wrote: post #58
coldbrewed wrote: post #4

My heart goes out to all of the institutions that are about to get hammered by this change, but I would by lying if I said I wasn't excited about a potential increase in investment in open source cloud virtualization infrastructure. Proxmox seems poised to benefit from this; is Openstack in a situation where it could be reasonably rolled out as a substitute for vSphere without requiring significant staff increases?

proxmox is presently not an alternative to the VMWare stack. Not even close. Converting from the VMWare stack⭢ proxmox would be a giant shitshow. I have been a paying user of WMware personally since the beginning and I have worked on their enterprise stack for several years. With the changes being made I cant see myself wanting to spend any personal money on it I and I would not recommend someone to start fresh with…

I'm very happy with Hyper-V for small environments. I've got a few clusters under my watch and it's okay. It's certainly not as rock-solid as ESXi, but it would do the job in a lot of the small vSphere environments. Having live migration and replication "in the box" w/o additional licensing expense is nice.

I really like the PowerShell applets for Hyper-V. I find them more well thought-out than PowerCLI. I do nearly all of my Hyper-V admin work at the command line.

Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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Post by doctorwho42 »

happytiger wrote: post #72
fxtentacle wrote: post #67

Soon we will have reached the point where software piracy is the only way not to build your company on digital quicksand. I sincerely hope we never get there because it would ruin the commercial software market, which did produce amazing tools in the past. But by now, it certainly looks like major participants are boosting their last remaining quarters (before the company implodes) by scorching the earth they walk on…

It’s could be a great day for Open Source software. Maybe we need to adapt Open Source so that cloud providers who use it have to pay for continued development instead of just using it for free or putting a control panel on top of something and calling it their own product, but that’s the solution we came up with the first time proprietary software vendors started trying to lock the universe down into perpetual upgra…

Be the change you want to see :)

As someone who uses software but rarely writes anything more than automation scripts, I personally look for self-hosting and community minded software companies to have my company throw money at (cause I am high enough to influence purchasing decisions for my group).

Favorite software that a share with everyone who mentions workflow diagrams is draw.io, https://www.drawio.com/about , let's you have a local copy - format is open source - and it just works how my engineering mind wants it to work

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