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Re: Pitivi – Free video editor with a beautiful and intuitive user interface

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Post by prox »

vindarel wrote: post #43
Venn1 wrote: post #26

I have been editing my podcast and guides with NLEs on Linux for the past decade. Kdenlive, OpenShot, Olive, Cinelerra, Blender and Pitivi all lack one key feature. Stability. You can lose a staggering amount of work between auto saves. After a day of playing with the free version of Resolve in 2017 I gave BlackMagic some cash for a license & capture card for audio. The early versions lacked ALSA support. Editing ses…

I spent dozens of hours in kdenlive since last year with 1 well-identified crash. The situation might have drastically improved since 2017?

Same here, kdenlive has been rock solid for me. It was crash prone and even sluggish a few major versions ago.

Re: Pitivi – Free video editor with a beautiful and intuitive user interface

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Post by pastage »

Dalewyn wrote: post #42
hn_acker wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The F in FOSS stands for free, so nobody is under any obligation to spend their time so you don't spend yours. Your conclusion generalizes to no-charge software, not to all FOSS. The "free" in FOSS stands for free software, meaning free as in freedom rather than free as in price. If a program is free software [1] then a user of the program can read the source code, modify it, and distribute (including sell) unmodif…

I'm fully aware the F in FOSS stands for free-as-in-libre. I'm also aware that FOSS developers by and large refuse the exchange of any and all money both as buyers and sellers for services rendered. You say developers of free-as-in-libre software can charge for them, but in practice any developer that tries to sell his free-as-in-libre software will be viciously laughed out of the room by everyone else. The F in FOSS…

I am guessing you mean you can not complain about edge case quality in Free Software. Because people discuss quality all the time.

Getting video crashless seems hard, I had problems back in 2006. Have not tried again.

Re: Pitivi – Free video editor with a beautiful and intuitive user interface

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Post by thefz »

Venn1 wrote: post #26

I have been editing my podcast and guides with NLEs on Linux for the past decade. Kdenlive, OpenShot, Olive, Cinelerra, Blender and Pitivi all lack one key feature. Stability. You can lose a staggering amount of work between auto saves. After a day of playing with the free version of Resolve in 2017 I gave BlackMagic some cash for a license & capture card for audio. The early versions lacked ALSA support. Editing ses…

Resolve is so good I paid for the full version even if all I do is edit GoPro videos.

Re: Pitivi – Free video editor with a beautiful and intuitive user interface

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Post by prox »

belugacat wrote: post #38
Racing0461 wrote: post #31

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> After a day of playing with the free version of Resolve in 2017 I gave BlackMagic some cash for a license & capture card for audio I see you've came to the same conclusion i did years ago. I look at it not as paying for software, but buying my time back at this point. Linux "open source"/free professional software seems to lack the Je ne sais quoi needed to make it worthwhile. It works, but the software is in the "…

A lot of open source projects suffer from “pet project” syndrome. Some maintainers have very strong opinions about how/what things should be done regardless of actual user demand or feedback, and there’s no one with the power to rebuff them because the product owners deciding what to implement and the engineers doing implementation work are one and same. Commit right makes might. In a (healthy) company, you have PMs…

It stems from a bias, developers are power/expert users and their interface behavior is likely matching, which means they are heavily reliant on keyboard shortcuts (Think Blender 1.x and Blender 2.x who leaned heavily and even exclusively on shortcuts)

This gives them the idea that their software is very powerful (and probably is) but this creates a cliff to the beginner and intermediate level users.

A lot of examples can be found in “About Face: On interaction design” by Alan Cooper.

Re: Pitivi – Free video editor with a beautiful and intuitive user interface

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Post by Dalewyn »

pastage wrote: post #62
Dalewyn wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm fully aware the F in FOSS stands for free-as-in-libre. I'm also aware that FOSS developers by and large refuse the exchange of any and all money both as buyers and sellers for services rendered. You say developers of free-as-in-libre software can charge for them, but in practice any developer that tries to sell his free-as-in-libre software will be viciously laughed out of the room by everyone else. The F in FOSS…

I am guessing you mean you can not complain about edge case quality in Free Software. Because people discuss quality all the time. Getting video crashless seems hard, I had problems back in 2006. Have not tried again.

I don't think it's unreasonable to demand that products and tools don't spontaneously combust frequently, so long as that demand is based on warranties and other such professional/commercial guarantees.

FOSS's primary problem is that the goal is the tool itself, rather than what is done with the tools: Commercial software exist to let the end user achieve something, which in turn generates profit for the commercial developers. FOSS exist to let the FOSS developers achieve their dreams, end users be damned.

A video editor crashing every hour is a problem for the end user, but if the FOSS developer doesn't care then that's that.

This is why Photoshop will continue to surpass GIMP, and why exceptional FOSS like Blender succeed where other FOSS do not.

Re: Pitivi – Free video editor with a beautiful and intuitive user interface

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Post by Qem »

Racing0461 wrote: post #47
Dalewyn wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm fully aware the F in FOSS stands for free-as-in-libre. I'm also aware that FOSS developers by and large refuse the exchange of any and all money both as buyers and sellers for services rendered. You say developers of free-as-in-libre software can charge for them, but in practice any developer that tries to sell his free-as-in-libre software will be viciously laughed out of the room by everyone else. The F in FOSS…

Can you guys lemma know when is the year of the linux desktop? I wanna add it to calcurse.

If Micro$oft keeps enshittifying their OS at current rates, I bet a lot of people will get fed up and jump ship to Linux after one or two more windows releases.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification

Re: Pitivi – Free video editor with a beautiful and intuitive user interface

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Post by Almondsetat »

animex wrote: post #53
dharmab wrote: post #35

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The free version of Resolve is so good. I looked for a reason to pay them- nope, free version did literally everything a non-professional would need. And they even have free downloadable lessons on how to edit - not just use their editor, but edit in general- on the website.

...but it asks for all your identifying information so their sales team can email, phone, snail-mail solicit you to upgrade...until their shit gets hacked and then they are paying out a multi-million dollar privacy settlement/fine :/

You do know that you can just write gibberish in the download form, right?

Re: Pitivi – Free video editor with a beautiful and intuitive user interface

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Post by Dalewyn »

Qem wrote: post #66
Racing0461 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you guys lemma know when is the year of the linux desktop? I wanna add it to calcurse.

If Micro$oft keeps enshittifying their OS at current rates, I bet a lot of people will get fed up and jump ship to Linux after one or two more windows releases. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification

Windows 11, for all its faults, enables me to do the things I want to do on a computer. Likewise Android, and to a lesser degree even iOS and MacOS I admit.

Linux however demands me to do the computer, it doesn't enable me to do anything because I'm too busy doing computer bullshit. This isn't necessarily surprising, since the goal of Linux (more accurately FOSS) is to use FOSS and isn't concerned about what I need/want to do.

So no, most people (or at least myself) will not move from Windows to Linux. I use computers to do things, not preach the holy scriptures of FOSS.

Re: Pitivi – Free video editor with a beautiful and intuitive user interface

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Post by LanternLight83 »

Venn1 wrote: post #26

I have been editing my podcast and guides with NLEs on Linux for the past decade. Kdenlive, OpenShot, Olive, Cinelerra, Blender and Pitivi all lack one key feature. Stability. You can lose a staggering amount of work between auto saves. After a day of playing with the free version of Resolve in 2017 I gave BlackMagic some cash for a license & capture card for audio. The early versions lacked ALSA support. Editing ses…

Can anyone speak to linux support, free or otherwise?
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