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Tesla drivers run Autopilot where it's not intended – with deadly consequences

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Re: Tesla drivers run Autopilot where it's not intended – with deadly consequences

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Post by memen »

idopmstuff wrote: post #19
KolmogorovComp wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it is not legally enforced. Why does the car allow overspeeding? Why does the car allow the driver to use a phone while driving? In the end it’s the responsibility of the driver. (I’m not saying I agree with this view, but this most probably the one behind Testla choice, as well as… cost, obviously).

The speeding one is an interesting analogy and a good question - why not force cars to cap their top speed at the highest speed possible on the freeway? I imagine the answer is that capping speed like that wasn't possible for the initial cars, and so people just got used to being able to speed and don't want it to go away now.

Maximum speed in e.g. Germany is unlimited, so yeah technically that is already the case.

Re: Tesla drivers run Autopilot where it's not intended – with deadly consequences

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Post by beej71 »

aaronharnly wrote: post #6
jonathantf2 wrote: post #2

https://archive.is/PentB

Is there any solution to the recaptcha loop?

If you're on Firefox, add all the archive.today variants (you can get them on Wikipedia) to the Secure DNS blacklist in Firefox settings.

Re: Tesla drivers run Autopilot where it's not intended – with deadly consequences

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Post by cassianoleal »

sobkas wrote: post #29
spanktheuser wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Possibly because there are circumstances in which speeding is necessary? I’ve been the driver and the passenger in a vehicle being driven to a distant emergency room. In both cases speed of arrival was of the essence.

> Possibly because there are circumstances in which speeding is necessary? I’ve been the driver and the passenger in a vehicle being driven to a distant emergency room. In both cases speed of arrival was of the essence. There are ways to make speeding possible while keeping abuse minimal. For example mergency switch that could allow speeding but for example enabled alarm that in normal use would be to annoying and re…

> enabled alarm that in normal use would be to annoying and resetting would be need

So you want a driver in an already stressful situation to be nagged periodically with an alarm that "in normal use would be too annoying" (i.e. during stress, it will certainly be much more annoying)?

That doesn't sound like a good solution.

Re: Tesla drivers run Autopilot where it's not intended – with deadly consequences

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Post by supermatt »

spacecadet wrote: post #21
supermatt wrote: post #14

> NHTSA said it would be too complex and resource-intensive to verify that systems such as Tesla Autopilot are used within the conditions for which they are designed, and it potentially would not fix the problem. So why not just TELL Tesla that it needs to operate within those conditions, and then enforce when it fails to do so? How can this regulatory body be so ass-backwards.

Why not tell automakers not to make vehicles capable of achieving speeds over 50-70mph? Im not arguing with you, just pointing out that plenty of enforcements are in place related to automobiles and they are all "honor system" and "expensive to enforce", even speeding, which can largely be automated is still expensive to enforce...

People choose to speed - they don’t choose for their cars driving aids not to work as advertised.

If it is known that these aids don’t work in certain situations, then they should be prevented from being activated in those situations.

They don’t need to enforce all offences, just those reported, such as the one mentioned in the article. The car already collects its own evidence. What has changed since that incident? Incremental improvements no doubt, but it is STILL known that those aids do not work effectively, and shouldn’t be operated on country lanes, yet you can easily activate them with no warning.

Re: Tesla drivers run Autopilot where it's not intended – with deadly consequences

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Post by spacecadet »

supermatt wrote: post #36
spacecadet wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not tell automakers not to make vehicles capable of achieving speeds over 50-70mph? Im not arguing with you, just pointing out that plenty of enforcements are in place related to automobiles and they are all "honor system" and "expensive to enforce", even speeding, which can largely be automated is still expensive to enforce...

People choose to speed - they don’t choose for their cars driving aids not to work as advertised. If it is known that these aids don’t work in certain situations, then they should be prevented from being activated in those situations. They don’t need to enforce all offences, just those reported, such as the one mentioned in the article. The car already collects its own evidence. What has changed since that incident?…

Sure. Im not going to respond any further then, you should explore this further, because you are making hella assumptions and clearly don't understand federal/state traffic laws in the US.

Also, chill out, I was only suggesting a thought exercise about choice... not arguing with you.

Re: Tesla drivers run Autopilot where it's not intended – with deadly consequences

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Post by rascul »

ericfrazier wrote: post #30
poisonborz wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because even such basic feat is technically not possible, only on a minor percentage of roads. Even limits shown by Apple/Gmaps are often incorrect, the ones that are shown on a midrange 1y old car dashboard aided by camera+maps are laughable.

There's a max speed limit in the US. I believe the fastest Ive ever seen is 75 or 80. Set it to that.

Varies by state. I think 85 is the current highest, in Texas. No way to know if max speed limits will go up or down in the future.

Re: Tesla drivers run Autopilot where it's not intended – with deadly consequences

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Post by jgalt212 »

tiahura wrote: post #16
jgalt212 wrote: post #3

Yeah, well maybe if it wasn't called Full Self Driving less people would use it as such. Where the f is Lina Khan on this?

Jgalt indeed.

> neither love nor fame nor cash is a value if obtained by fraud

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/honesty.html

Re: Tesla drivers run Autopilot where it's not intended – with deadly consequences

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Post by supermatt »

spacecadet wrote: post #37
supermatt wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People choose to speed - they don’t choose for their cars driving aids not to work as advertised. If it is known that these aids don’t work in certain situations, then they should be prevented from being activated in those situations. They don’t need to enforce all offences, just those reported, such as the one mentioned in the article. The car already collects its own evidence. What has changed since that incident?…

Sure. Im not going to respond any further then, you should explore this further, because you are making hella assumptions and clearly don't understand federal/state traffic laws in the US. Also, chill out, I was only suggesting a thought exercise about choice... not arguing with you.

What makes you think I’m not chilled? Are you responding to some other comment maybe?
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