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I don't know why, but archive.is is not loading for me

I had to disable DNS over HTTPS to get archive to work again.

In Firefox it's enough to add archive.is/.ph/.today to the exception list, and keep using default settings otherwise. Not sure about other browsers.

Re: Air traffic controllers pushed to the brink

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From what to what? What counts as “serious?” What percentage of flights? Which kind of flights? How many of them are commercial passenger (as opposed to cargo)? Can the variance be ascribed to noise?

Sorry if some of these questions can be answered from the paywalled article. But my gut says that this is making news out of nothing important.

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From what to what? What counts as “serious?” What percentage of flights? Which kind of flights? How many of them are commercial passenger (as opposed to cargo)? Can the variance be ascribed to noise? Sorry if some of these questions can be answered from the paywalled article. But my gut says that this is making news out of nothing important.

> In the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30, there were 503 air traffic control lapses that the F.A.A. preliminarily categorized as “significant,” 65 percent more than in the prior year, according to internal agency reports reviewed by The Times. During that period, air traffic increased about 4 percent.

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If so, why do we see a sudden increase in just one year worldwide, including Europe? The most plausible explanation is brain fog from COVID and long COVID compounded by employee shortage and overwork.

The most obvious answer is people flew, drove, and studied less and so all the things people are bringing up are showing up worse than average after due to lack of practice. I definitely drive way less now / thenm

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It's sad that this is getting downvoted. What you posted is a fact and it should be addressed. We shouldn't bury our heads in the sand just because it's an issue of race.

I think if it were a fact, it would be supported by argument and evidence. What we have here is simply a claim, which was not supported by any evidence. I am perfectly willing to accept that poorly thought out diversity policies can have adverse effects on organizations, which is especially troubling if that organization manages vital infrastructure. But I would need to see good evidence, and argument with that evide…

https://archive.is/lDyOB

I have no idea whether affirmative action in Air Traffic Control has anything to do with increased incidents. Either way, I think affirmative action as applied here is a travesty.

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Air traffic control seems like something that should be at the top level surveyed by humans but has many layers of automated computational safety built in. I imagine there is, but the idea that the safety of a plane is up to a single person at some point is unsettling. Having existed for many decades, the entire field should be far past the point of there being even a 0.000000001% chance of hazard.

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It's the safest per mile, but not per journey. A nice comparison to other transport methods, including taking the bus, and the Space Shuttle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_safety#Transport_comp...

It really blows my mind that the space shuttle was really so sound and safe even though I want to argue that it could have been far better. I mean this compared to SpaceX stuff blowing up a bunch before it gets the kinks worked out - I don't remember seeing or hearing about any prototype shuttles blowing up but it was before my time.

17000000 Deaths per billion flights for the space shuttle is not safe. This is more than 2,000 times more dangerous than skydiving, which is also not very safe.
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