The YouTube channels for ATC incidents have certainly been rather busy too.
Air traffic controllers pushed to the brink
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#52[flagged]
If you didn’t think there was some validity to the reporting, you wouldn’t be posting it.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't really see how that's related though
ACT test scores have plummeted too. Combined with what we know about the physical brain changes that can be observed after a single mild infection, it all paints a potentially concerning relationship with COVID.
Could also be the consequences of schooling during a lockdown.
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#54What do we think, within 5 years pilots will be talking to AI chatbots that handle air traffic?
Is there a plane about to crash? Say 1 for not sure, 2 for normal business hours, 3 for no, or 4 for I'M SORRY I didn't catch that, say 1 for not sure...
Re: Air traffic controllers pushed to the brink
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't really see how that's related though
ACT test scores have plummeted too. Combined with what we know about the physical brain changes that can be observed after a single mild infection, it all paints a potentially concerning relationship with COVID.
Or maybe ACT test scores have plummeted because these students have experienced 1-2 years of remote teaching, which might have been less effective than in-person school?
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Pay is not attractive That's not my impression at all, based on discussions with FAA employees. From a quick online search: > ATC 2022 median pay: $132,250 per year https://www.bls.gov/ooh/transportation-and-material-moving/a...
Did you read the part about 10 hour days and 6 day workweeks? I wouldn't do that for $132k. Add in the fact that the FAA is about 50 years behind the times in understanding mental health, so you might lose your entire career if you are diagnosed with depression (even if it is a result of stress at work). Plus, you have to be younger than 31 to start an ATC career, and are required to retire no later than 56. So for g…
$132k is great pay. You get to retire at 56 with a nice federal retirement package, plus an extra supplement to top things up until you are eligible for social security (which you're not initially, since you get to retire so damn early). Is it a hard job? Certainly. But I'm sure a significant number of retail jobs are nearly as stressful. And the union has your back, making sure you get a decent number of decently-sized breaks, overtime pay for overtime work, etc.
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#57[flagged]
> I make no claim about the accuracy of the reporting below
Then you appear to knowingly spreading unfounded rumors?
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think if it were a fact, it would be supported by argument and evidence. What we have here is simply a claim, which was not supported by any evidence. I am perfectly willing to accept that poorly thought out diversity policies can have adverse effects on organizations, which is especially troubling if that organization manages vital infrastructure. But I would need to see good evidence, and argument with that evide…
So if you don't agree with a claim, instead of asking for evidence you flag and terminate the discussion? This is what happened here.
The very person you are asking did ask for evidence right here in a peer comment 34 minutes before your comment, see:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38587616
There's still a lack of any hard evidence beyond a speculative Fox News | Tucker Carlson | Sean Hannity dog whistle article.
The primary article of this submission indicates more that overall systemic changes from the top are the root cause rather than being entirely the workers fault; less staff, more hours, reduced training, etc.
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#59Very scary indeed. I think for the first time in my life I will be a little on edge flying in the US. You always hear that flying is the safest mode of public transport--well, if this is the state of the ATC, we're definitely in trouble. And you know there won't be any real change until hundreds of people die needlessly...I just hope it won't be my flight.
It's the safest per mile, but not per journey. A nice comparison to other transport methods, including taking the bus, and the Space Shuttle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_safety#Transport_comp...
It really blows my mind that the space shuttle was really so sound and safe even though I want to argue that it could have been far better. I mean this compared to SpaceX stuff blowing up a bunch before it gets the kinks worked out - I don't remember seeing or hearing about any prototype shuttles blowing up but it was before my time.
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
ACT test scores have plummeted too. Combined with what we know about the physical brain changes that can be observed after a single mild infection, it all paints a potentially concerning relationship with COVID.
Could also be the consequences of schooling during a lockdown.
People continued to drive.