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Re: Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access

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post #94

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How many people are still using safari on Mac? Everyone I know uses chrome, but maybe that’s just in the states?

Chrome being viable is fairly recent: https://9to5google.com/2023/02/28/chrome-safari-battery-life... . In fact, I didn't realize it's actually viable until now.

I live in the states and dropped Chrome for Safari Pick your poison.

Re: Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access

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I knew that was going to happen, it's become a status symbol of like good vs. bad, the blue vs. green.

Its become like a racial slur the blue vs. green, and that's exactly what Apple wants to sell cellphones. You can't contact the cool kids until you have a blue bubble, that means you're like, cool or something. You can message me if you can afford an iphone apparently.

Re: Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access

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post #81

> "if Apple truly cares about the privacy and security of their own iPhone users, why would they stop a service that enables their own users to now send encrypted messages to Android users, rather than using unsecure SMS?" - Eric Migicovsky 1. If Apple sees this as a gap, it is very obvious that they would address that themselves, rather than by allowing a hack to exploit loopholes in their architecture 2. Since Appl…

> 2. Since Apple has no control over the Beeper mini client, they would not consider it safe, it could easily be spying on users without their knowledge.

Since I have no control over iMessage, I would not consider it safe. It could easily be spying on me without my knowledge.

Re: Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access

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This is a wake-up call. It's high time we demand open-source messaging standards across all platforms. Imagine a world where communication isn't dictated by corporate interests but by user needs and innovation.

Re: Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access

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The EU should, like they did years ago with PC operating systems, mandate a default browser selection screen. And a default messenger selection screen. And a default app store selection screen. Not that we'd get it in the US but it would help reduce Apple/Google market capture efforts.

How many people are still using safari on Mac? Everyone I know uses chrome, but maybe that’s just in the states?

According to StatCounter, Safari has a 13% browser market share on desktops. (Similarweb shows 11% on desktops, so not terribly different.)

https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worl...

Re: Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access

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The EU should, like they did years ago with PC operating systems, mandate a default browser selection screen. And a default messenger selection screen. And a default app store selection screen. Not that we'd get it in the US but it would help reduce Apple/Google market capture efforts.

Let's think higher than that. Let's just get rid of megacorporations: let's mandate that any company with more than amount of X employees should be broken down into smaller divisions, with a separate board and CEO, and make it that no one can be on more than one board at the same time. Make X low enough, 250, and all of this would go away: no more corporatism, no more monopolies, no more special groups interests payi…

I never understood what the point of comments like this is. You know what you’re describing is never going to happen. So is it just philosophical musing about what the ideal society would look like?

Re: Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access

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post #65

As usual, Gruber was right on the money. Via Threads yesterday: "My prediction is that Apple will make changes—fixing bugs and/or closing loopholes—that break Beeper Mini. It’s untenable that there’s unsanctioned client software for a messaging platform for which privacy and security are a primary feature. It’s a very nice app, remarkably clever, and for now works like a charm, but if Apple wanted an iMessage client…

It looks to me like there is an advantageous business relationship between Beeper and their customers. As a general rule, Apple is free to change their programs and how they work. However, I think there’s a plausible argument for tortious interference here if the sole purpose was to prevent interoperability.

That's like getting upset after getting bad dating advice from a vending machine.

Re: Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access

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As someone in tech, I think it's awesome they were able to find a way into iMessage. As an iPhone user, I hate the idea that spammers can now use iMessage, and I'm glad the service was taken down. Both things can be true at once.

Won't spammers just continue using the macos bridged other services instead of the direct to Apple way ?

Re: Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access

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post #65

As usual, Gruber was right on the money. Via Threads yesterday: "My prediction is that Apple will make changes—fixing bugs and/or closing loopholes—that break Beeper Mini. It’s untenable that there’s unsanctioned client software for a messaging platform for which privacy and security are a primary feature. It’s a very nice app, remarkably clever, and for now works like a charm, but if Apple wanted an iMessage client…

It looks to me like there is an advantageous business relationship between Beeper and their customers. As a general rule, Apple is free to change their programs and how they work. However, I think there’s a plausible argument for tortious interference here if the sole purpose was to prevent interoperability.

There's a bunch of reasons why this is unlikely to be tortious interference, but one of the obvious ones is the contractual Terms & Conditions that apply between Apple and its users; I doubt Beeper is liable here, but if interference was a thing, my bet (not a lawyer!) is that the liability would point the other direction.

Re: Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access

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post #53

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>And a default messenger selection screen. What for? Everybody in the EU already uses whatsapp. That shows how unnecessary these selection screens are.

Incorrect meme, almost no one is on whatsapp in Hungary for example. We use Messenger, Viber mainly and other social media apps that have a chat feature.

Common case of people seeing that something is common in Western Europe and Latin America and then claiming “the U.S. is the only country that doesn’t do X”. Happens all the time.
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