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Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by digging »

stronglikedan wrote: post #443
prmoustache wrote: post #60

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1. People in my household put their phone to charge only once a day, when they go to bed. How hard is it to plug a phone once a day?

Then people in your household either (a) don't really use their phones that much or (b) get brand new phones with brand new batteries every year. There is no phone battery that lasts an entire day for a person that uses their >1yo phone a lot throughout the day.

Horseshit. I could charge my Pixel 5 once every other day, and I use it for photography as well as meme scrolling and messaging. If you're using your phone so much that it needs to be be charged twice a day then you're almost certainly using it in a way that's worse for your health than for the battery life. Or you're wasting a lot of battery life on background telemetry.

Do you use battery saver mode? I actually try not to fully charge my phone, but keep it between 30%-70%, which puts less strain on it, and battery saver kicks on at 50%.

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Post by digging »

Reubachi wrote: post #432
sowbug wrote: post #8

Motivated by this article, and already thinking about handing down my current phone to a family member as a Christmas gift, I visited the Fairphone store ( https://shop.fairphone.com/ though likely available only on Amazon in the US) and read one review ( https://www.theverge.com/23895548/fairphone-5-review-price-f... ). Here's why I'm holding off. 1. No wireless charging. Switching to this phone would require a big…

1. This is like critiscizing a green energy company for not burning oil. Wireless charging is antithetical to any sustainable device mission. In terms of "last mile delivery", wireless charging for small personal devices is about the least efficient, highest energy waste delivery method there is. I'm talking orders of magnitude more waste versus production than coal, oil, propane, wale blubber, wood. That isn't even…

> 2. Do you purchase a cell phone in 2023 with "Camera quality" in mind? Not trying to be rude, I'm actively sampling this query. I can't understand this and haven't since modern smart phones proliferated. No matter the phone, set it to raw, take photo ,edit in post. Comes out leagues better than any ios, pixel etc photo. and I don't know who is taking so many photos and comparing them to care.

The whole idea of smartphone cameras is that nobody is editing RAWs. I have issues with the GP comment but wanting a high quality camera is not one of them. Taking decent-to-great smartphone photos, whether inane or artistic, is a staple of modern life. (Although it sounds more like a status thing in their case, like they don't want someone else in their social group to be the go-to photographer? Maybe it was just not worded clearly.)w

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Post by gpvos »

cuu508 wrote: post #313
GuB-42 wrote: post #260

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But usually, people don't travel with their wireless chargers, or if they do, their wireless charger wire will get the same bad treatment as their phone charging cable. As for wear on the phone side, the good thing of having a Fairphone is that it is easily replaceable. But USB-C ports are also designed to be more robust than the cable. So unless there is a defect, it should last the life of the phone.

Sadly in practice the USB-C port still is one of the weakest parts of the phone. When it becomes too loose / mushy / unreliable, and cleaning it does not help, and replacing it is not economical, then that's it for the phone.

I've replaced the USB port (i.e., bottom module) in two of my (Fair)phones, both times because of wear or damage of the port.

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Post by guraf »

pachico wrote: post #353
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #343

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What phone and bank app is this? I have a 6 year old phone. I've never come across such issues.

Spanish BBVA and Triodos bank apps combined with Brave browser on a redmi with 4+2 GiB of ram.

What does 4+2 GB mean? I tried googling Redmi 4+2 GB but it only returns Redmi 4 from 2017 that has only 2GB of ram. Surely that's not what you're talking about?

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Post by autoexec »

criddell wrote: post #368
autoexec wrote: post #156

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I'll add to your list of fairphone shortcomings the lack of a headphone jack. I really don't buy their excuse that including one would make the phone too large to be commercially viable.

So what do you think the real reason is?

I couldn't say... most likely they just don't see it as a priority, but I'm sure that not including one lowers their costs and takes less effort which could be a motivator.

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Post by asolidtime1 »

delecti wrote: post #112
asolidtime1 wrote: post #45

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>> 1. Always sad for me to know how much popular are wireless chargers, wasting 47% more energy aprox for charging the same as a wired charger. Sure, but compared to everything else we use, smartphones use almost no energy. The one I'm typing this on has a battery capacity of 12 wh; if you have a resistive electric water heater, standing in a hot shower during the winter for an extra second would offset half of that.

This nerd sniped me and I had to do the math to confirm, but you're right, at least depending on where you get your estimates and regional power costs. The energy equivalent between a cell phone and shower time is on the order of seconds. My phone's battery is 4385 mAh @3.7V, or 0.016 kWh, and my power costs $0.1252/kWh, or about $0.002 per phone charge. Based on some super surface-level estimates from googling, a ty…

Yeah, the math I did was for heating water by 50 kelvins for a 9 l/min showerhead, which in hindsight was probably overestimating it. It'd make sense if the actual answer for most people was 2-4 seconds

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Post by frabcus »

thih9 wrote: post #449

Say I own an iPhone and I’m considering a Fairphone. Which iphone model would I have to own for the transition to make sense, both for user experience and sustainability? I.e. Iphone 15 surely not. But iphone 5 for sure yes. Where is the cutoff? I’m choosing iphones because they’re recognizable and have a predictable release schedule. Let’s disregard ios vs android angle if possible.

I had an iPhone 11 and the Fairphone 5 feels like an upgrade. (Case on the former as it shatters and is expensive to repair and no case on the latter)

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Post by qingcharles »

sowbug wrote: post #8

Motivated by this article, and already thinking about handing down my current phone to a family member as a Christmas gift, I visited the Fairphone store ( https://shop.fairphone.com/ though likely available only on Amazon in the US) and read one review ( https://www.theverge.com/23895548/fairphone-5-review-price-f... ). Here's why I'm holding off. 1. No wireless charging. Switching to this phone would require a big…

My friend has a Pixel 7 (non Pro) and it takes pretty crappy photos for such a high-end phone. Shooting in RAW with all the hi-res options turned on. Anything that would help? Better camera app than the Google one?

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Post by fsflover »

rekoil wrote: post #318
k__ wrote: post #294

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I noticed two ways. Either you don't get any updates and at one point you can't use any app because it's outdated. Or you get all updates and at one point you can't use any apps, because your phone became unbearably slow.

The problem is really that the SoCs aren't maintained for long, and the complexity of the SoC concept makes maintaining it yourself as the device manufacturer at best impractical, maybe even impossible if the SoC manufacturer won't release necessary source code to you. They want it this way because then they can sell more SoCs because users end up upgrading more often, and device manufacturers (besides Fairphone) don…

> The problem is really that the SoCs aren't maintained for long

Why is this not a problem with laptops?

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Post by nerdponx »

frabcus wrote: post #457
thih9 wrote: post #449

Say I own an iPhone and I’m considering a Fairphone. Which iphone model would I have to own for the transition to make sense, both for user experience and sustainability? I.e. Iphone 15 surely not. But iphone 5 for sure yes. Where is the cutoff? I’m choosing iphones because they’re recognizable and have a predictable release schedule. Let’s disregard ios vs android angle if possible.

I had an iPhone 11 and the Fairphone 5 feels like an upgrade. (Case on the former as it shatters and is expensive to repair and no case on the latter)

My Rhino Shield "Crash Guard" bumper case has protected several generations of iPhones from my clumsiness, dropping it on all manner of hard surfaces from chest height or higher. Yes it's annoying to pay $30 for a case for my glass supercomputer, but I wouldn't base my phone purchase decision based on the need for a case. If anything, I'd prefer a phone that is supported by this particular case, because there is no phone that I really expect to be built to this kind of spec (and I probably wouldn't want one that was, considering what tradeoffs might be involved).
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