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Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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I really like the concept, but I hate it's size. I just can't buy something that big for daily use. Why can't they make a smaller version, idk, like pixel 3/5 sizes, isn't this more sustainable/eco friendly?

This, I'm stuck with a Sony Xperia Z3 compact (4.6", microSD slot, jack, microG Lineage support) and I don't see any possible replacement for it.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Motivated by this article, and already thinking about handing down my current phone to a family member as a Christmas gift, I visited the Fairphone store ( https://shop.fairphone.com/ though likely available only on Amazon in the US) and read one review ( https://www.theverge.com/23895548/fairphone-5-review-price-f... ). Here's why I'm holding off. 1. No wireless charging. Switching to this phone would require a big…

1. This is like critiscizing a green energy company for not burning oil. Wireless charging is antithetical to any sustainable device mission. In terms of "last mile delivery", wireless charging for small personal devices is about the least efficient, highest energy waste delivery method there is. I'm talking orders of magnitude more waste versus production than coal, oil, propane, wale blubber, wood. That isn't even to say the effect on your battery or surrounding plastics/membranes.

2. Do you purchase a cell phone in 2023 with "Camera quality" in mind? Not trying to be rude, I'm actively sampling this query. I can't understand this and haven't since modern smart phones proliferated. No matter the phone, set it to raw, take photo ,edit in post. Comes out leagues better than any ios, pixel etc photo. and I don't know who is taking so many photos and comparing them to care.

3. The accessory case is a criticism is a bit more valid but come on. THis phone is losing money on every sale. If they sell one of these cases for every phone, they MAY come out ahead because as you said, the cases are cheap junk. Don't buy the case if this is a problem. This last years, apple switched from leather cases to "vegan leather". Same cost, made in china. More than the cost of this fair phone case.

I feel like if you own a framework, you should understand that the criticisms you listed are.....not criticisms and are in fact features or obvious requirements for a loss-leading edge case device. There is no 100 percent, perfect, sustainable mobile device like there is for workstations, because the walled garden of mobile devices is unfortunatley just more rigidly architectured.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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I have an iPhone 11 Pro. The back is made out of glass which is easily breakable. For the life of me, I can’t figure out why, because behind the glass is an opaque piece of aluminum. The glass broke on the third day I had the phone when I tossed it from knee height on to a folded up sweatshirt that was sitting on a rug on a tile floor. Oh, actually, I guess I do know why an opaque part of a thousand dollar phone is m…

It's glass because it needs to be transparent for the wireless charging coil. There is a hole in the aluminum frame for this coil. The options are basically just plastic or glass. At least with the current phones it's now possible to replace this glass if it breaks.

I feel a little better knowing this is necessary, but it's hard to believe they couldn't figure out how to charge through metal (like ever other "put it on the charger thing I own like handheld radios). I guess the radios are more "put it on the charger in the right position" whereas I can slop the phone on the wireless charger wherever I want.

Of course I don't have a wireless charger but hey, progress.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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I wonder how long it will take for tech like foldable screens to make it's way to devices like this. After some scepticism, I've recently transitioned to a foldable and it does feel like the next evolution in phones, even if the tech is currently pretty fragile.

What makes you bullish on that? I had the opposite experience recently. I used a friend’s foldable phone and it felt extremely gimmicky.

I was initially sceptical at first but after a few days you really start to appreciate it. A bigger screen is just better for a lot of things - reading, web browsing, video, gaming etc. I put a quadlock universal mount on the back of my case and then I connect it to a quadlock selfie stick alongside a foldable keyboard and a Swiftpoint ProPoint mouse and it means I essentially have a full computing set up that's both portable and ergonomic that can fit in a cross body bag or even a large bumbag. It's perfect for writing but you can even take it further and use it with codespaces on GitHub to code with it. Or if you're into gaming you can get something like the razer kishi, nacom mg-x etc and then you essentially have something similar to the steam deck. I can't see myself going back to regular slab phones in the future. You do have to be careful with it though and it's also highly recommended to fork out for Samsung Care or whatever the Google equivalent is as the screens do have a fairly high failure rate according to the various subreddits.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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I have an iPhone 11 Pro. The back is made out of glass which is easily breakable. For the life of me, I can’t figure out why, because behind the glass is an opaque piece of aluminum. The glass broke on the third day I had the phone when I tossed it from knee height on to a folded up sweatshirt that was sitting on a rug on a tile floor. Oh, actually, I guess I do know why an opaque part of a thousand dollar phone is m…

The glass prior to iPhone 14 is UNREPAIRABLE as well. You are better off breaking the screen. The Apple repair process for iPhone 12 and 13 is to replace the entire chassis. Ebay sellers will sell you a replacement back glass but you have to painstakingly break off all the back glass including a sensitive microphone near the cameras and also the chances you don't break the wireless charging is zero. Polycarbonate pla…

I actually had one of those not-Apple-but-we-repair-Apple-gear quote me $579 to fix it. Yes, he was aware this was stupid. We had a good chuckle.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Hard disagree. Not having some kind of device (be that a smart phone, tablet or laptop) is going to make life very difficult, particularly if you have to access any kind of government service in the developed world. Might be different in the US but in the UK almost everything is digital or moving to digital. For example if you're claiming benefits because you're unemployed in the UK then you would be expected to both…

Of all the things which should be accessible without internet, government services should pretty much be number 1 on the list. Especially unemployment benefits, because how is someone without a job going to afford a device which can access the internet plus the corresponding internet access?

Yeah I completely agree but this is the current reality of modern day UK and I highly doubt it will change. If you don't have a device they literally expect you to go to the library or to the job centre to log your activity data. They may have some kind of device loaning scheme but I have no idea. The sad reality is that the majority of jobs only accept online applications now as well. Hence why I think we're now at the point where a smart phone is no longer a luxury and pretty much a necessity to navigate life in a developed country or at least the UK.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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That adapter is so flimsy. I don't think it would last repeated use.

It’s been around for so long, and the Lightning version for even longer, that if it was a serious problem we would know by now.

That is implying anyone actually uses them day to day instead of just springing for airpods.

Edit: also https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/b7vjo9/anything_mor...

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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post #43

I wonder how long it will take for tech like foldable screens to make it's way to devices like this. After some scepticism, I've recently transitioned to a foldable and it does feel like the next evolution in phones, even if the tech is currently pretty fragile.

What makes you bullish on that? I had the opposite experience recently. I used a friend’s foldable phone and it felt extremely gimmicky.

Because being able to carry around a huge screen is fantastic. Being able to play games or use apps with a split-screen layout when I am sitting on the train is amazing. Folding allows it to fit nicely in your pocket and not be too awkward for quick usages such as responding to a message or paying with your phone.

It seems clear to me that all else being equal having a twice as large screen is a major upside. So it is really just a question of when the downsides (such as price, thickness and durability) shrink enough to tip the scales in favour of folding displays.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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post #8

Motivated by this article, and already thinking about handing down my current phone to a family member as a Christmas gift, I visited the Fairphone store ( https://shop.fairphone.com/ though likely available only on Amazon in the US) and read one review ( https://www.theverge.com/23895548/fairphone-5-review-price-f... ). Here's why I'm holding off. 1. No wireless charging. Switching to this phone would require a big…

Around Christmas time I always consider giving a family member one of my old smart phones. But then I remember I stopped using them because they got old and the battery life sucks.

Great argument for swappable batteries in standard sizes.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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I am only buying second hand galaxy s7 (2106) and they work fine. If needed battery replacement is rather easy to do if you follow a tutorial. I use it watch youtube videos, browse the web (probably not the fastest but fast enough), use Google Maps, take pictures, listen to music. Basic phone usage you know.

I’m using my original iPhone SE (2016). I replaced the battery a couple of weeks ago, and I’m often at 80% by the end of the day. For regular phone use, I find this phone is perfect. So small you don’t feel it in your pocket, and still does the basic things really well.

With WI-fi and all connection turned off (except simple texting with no images), and with all apps deleted that can be deleted, I have 80% remaining after a couple of weeks or more.

I suppose its somewhat of a privilege to use a modern phone only as a phone, but there's a certain smug peace of mind to be had - as well as security.

I'm also tempted to politely ask you to get off my lawn in the off-chance you are wondering about my demographic.

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