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Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by fragmede »

appleskeptic wrote: post #415
fragmede wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To my knowledge, healthcare workers at Kaiser Permanente of California haven't burned any buildings down or had a brawl in the middle of the parking lot. The Starbucks workers strike was also non-violent. The most recent Writers guild of America strike didn't seem violent to me, but maybe that's Hollywood. The Oakland teachers union strike also didn't result in bloodshed as far as I know, but also it's Oakland.

He means cases where management is accused of violence against the strikers.

ah I missed that context and it's too late to delete it. thank you for pointing that out

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by actionfromafar »

bitshiftfaced wrote: post #365
mattlutze wrote: post #298

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I very much support workers collecting in solidarity to support each other. I'm not sure that I like the idea of official agents of a state office, or de facto state office, being authorized to independently choose how to execute their duties. Would it also be permitted for a group of socially conservative postal workers to refuse to deliver wedding licenses or legal documents to same sex partnerships? To determine w…

My question is if there comes along a candidate for Swedish prime minister, who a union doesn't like, can members of the campaign organization begin a strike against that candidate? And can sympathy strikers then choose to shut down that candidate's whole campaign operation?

No. The candidate is not a large company with employees.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by cyanydeez »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #103
eckesicle wrote: post #25

> Postal workers even decided not to deliver mail to the electric automaker, including license plates – an action that Musk called "insane". The local court has since put a stop to that action. This is no longer true. A higher court overturned that decision and the license plates are again blocked from reaching Tesla.

Allowing the government owned post office to pick and choose who gets mail just seems like a step too far. But even then the court wasn't forcing them to deliver mail, just allowing that mail to be picked up. And now that's blocked? I just don't understand how one entity can have this much power, in this case they essentially are the government they could demand whatever the hell they wanted. Your choice is to leave…

if the union cannot sympathize it's pathetic and useless and this not a union.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by jacquesm »

carlosjobim wrote: post #478
jacquesm wrote: post #474

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I don't know why you keep digging, but it is getting a bit tedious. You've had multiple people correct you, you persist in your rabid anti-union posts and purposefully mis-interpret the available evidence. I'm not sure why you do this but I guess you're welcome to it.

How about this: I apologize for confusing you with the other poster. And I ask you to apologize for calling me rabid. Nobody has corrected me, it is a fact that some large employers in Sweden will sign you up to a union without your consent. I should know, because it happened to me. Decades ago the company I was working for was sold to Sweden. One day I received a bill for a home insurance from a Swedish insurance co…

You can spend wall after wall of text but 'Decades ago' invalidates your whole thesis.

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Post by yreg »

eddtries wrote: post #212
Leherenn wrote: post #185

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Sorry if I am obtuse, but what's the difference between Trump and a specific company? That one is a legal entity? If the plates were to be delivered not to Tesla, but to an individual, then they wouldn't be allowed not to deliver them?

I probably shouldn't have complicated things by mentioning an individual, I really don't know if that could even be possible. Imagine I said Republican Party. The key thing is that for a strike to be declared it has to be called for by the union, it would be unprecedented to call a strike for political action against a party.

>it would be unprecedented

And is there a precedent for what's happening now?

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Post by turquoisevar »

masklinn wrote: post #369
wil421 wrote: post #270

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Why does everyone complain like it is an American issue? It’s an Elon issue, he hates unions and does it very publicly. For decades, Ford and others have factories in Europe and have union members.

> Why does everyone complain like it is an American issue? Because it largely is. > For decades, Ford and others have factories in Europe and have union members. These were handled very differently. For the most part those were independent subsidiaries, under the same brand but playing with their own set of rules. They commonly had different lineups entirely, for instance the Ford Focus was created in cooperation by…

Not sure what the difference in products has to do with how the company is governed. Ford of Europe is a direct subsidiary of Ford Motor Company, and they both have the same CEO and Executive Chairman.

It’s hardly a shock to most in Europe that many American corporations (whether by virtue of a subsidiary or not) attempt to bring their American sensibilities to the European labor market.

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Post by turquoisevar »

johngladtj wrote: post #141
askonomm wrote: post #4

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Doing so would prevent people from striking against unfair conditions, because they would lose the ability to feed themselves, and so would rather suffer bad working conditions. If you care at all about human beings, you should not be able to fire people simply because they voice their concerns about unfair working conditions, etc.

On the contrary, it would simply put both companies and workers on the same standard. If workers want to use their power to pressure companies, so should companies be able to do the same.

> On the contrary, it would simply put both companies and workers on the same standard.

If by “same standard” you mean equal footing, then I don’t see how you’d square that circle.

By definition an employer-employee relationship is asymmetrical, so is landlord-tenant, corporations-consumer, doctor-patient, teacher-student, etc.

In all those relationships one has more leverage than the other. Which is why, in most developed nations, there are guardrails in an effort to equalize that relationship.

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Post by oska »

lawn wrote: post #278
diego_sandoval wrote: post #210

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> Musk is pretty irrational when it comes to backing down What from the outside looks "irrational", from the inside may look like "not compromising on principles". Money is not the main variable that Musk is trying to maximize at this point.

> not compromising on principles Not compromising on free speech worked well... Until he started banning journalists from Twitter.

Which journalists has he banned from Twitter/X ?

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by carlosjobim »

jacquesm wrote: post #484
carlosjobim wrote: post #478

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How about this: I apologize for confusing you with the other poster. And I ask you to apologize for calling me rabid. Nobody has corrected me, it is a fact that some large employers in Sweden will sign you up to a union without your consent. I should know, because it happened to me. Decades ago the company I was working for was sold to Sweden. One day I received a bill for a home insurance from a Swedish insurance co…

You can spend wall after wall of text but 'Decades ago' invalidates your whole thesis.

No it doesn't, the practice is still exactly the same – as clearly stated on the union website in the article published in 2022. You're not even fooling yourself.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by lawn »

carlosjobim wrote: post #427
lawn wrote: post #323

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You'll have to link to how they mention its fine for the employer to force sign you without your consent, and to sign you up for expensive insurance again without your consent.

You could just have found the information yourself, it's not difficult Anyway, here's the link: https://www.sjofolk.se/nyheter/2022/medlem-automatiskt/ Now you have the truth right in front of you. Use a translator if you don't understand it. I'd like for you to apologize for slandering me here in the comments and repeatedly calling me a liar. Will you do that, or will you just down vote and move on, like a hacker?

Nowhere does it says it's okay for them to sign you up without your knowledge or consent, which should happen when you begin your job.

If that doesn't happens then they've made an error.

Your link also states that membership is entirely optional, and you can choose another union or none.

Finally, signing you up for expensive insurance absolutely requires your consent, as doing that is otherwise illegal. Your link also don't say anything about this, so no I don't have "this truth" in front of me.

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