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Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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No, the expectation is that the government can put up speed cameras everywhere and make a shit ton of money.

i'm pretty sure that's only a legit business model in the usa

The 100k population German city I live in recently reported they made 2 million Euro in this year so far (using speed cameras alone.) That doesn't seem like nothing.

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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In Sydney it is one more tunnel! I am not against it as the infra could be used by an army of electric buses that could be a psuedo-metro. Please do that!

Seriously, at least in France the big success story in my book has been the use of heavy-duty buses to expand transit networks. You just gotta take over existing lanes, and you make your main bus lanes have buses every 5 minutes or so. It's not ideal but it exists and works. Highly recommend as an alternative to wishing for metro lines.

They did the same thing in Bogota, Colombia. Massive project but when I was there it seemed to have paid off very well.

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i'm pretty sure that's only a legit business model in the usa

The 100k population German city I live in recently reported they made 2 million Euro in this year so far (using speed cameras alone.) That doesn't seem like nothing.

2 million / year is 5500 euros / day or about 100 infractions. On a city of 100k I'd say they missed a couple ;)

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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That's 18.6 mph, slower than the speed limit around US schools. Is the expectation people will go 20 or 25 mph (32 to 40 km/h) in reality?

For one, your car's speedometer will underreport actual driving speed, then there's also around 10% tolerance usually. So if you go "35"kmh, you're still below limit.

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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That’s crazy slow! I can’t even begin to think of how long it would take to get anywhere. By comparison, “The Texas Transportation Commission is allowed to bump up the speed limit in certain sections to 75, 80 and 85 mph, according to the Texas Department of Transportation. The speed limit can be raised if the highway is deemed safe and reasonable..” Also.. you can typically avoid a ticket by arguing you were still d…

The reasonable and prudent thing sounds like one of those myths to me. Like people saying they get out of a ticket on some technicality like a misspelling of the car brand. That doesnt happen unless you have a lawyer who is golf buddies with the judge.

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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That's 18.6 mph, slower than the speed limit around US schools. Is the expectation people will go 20 or 25 mph (32 to 40 km/h) in reality?

In the US it wouldn't make sense. Spending 2 hours to go to the grocery store and back just on the travelling part would be a big commitment whenever you needed to go.

30km/h makes sense on urban roads. If you need to go 15-30km to get to your grocery store you probably live a lifestyle where you plan that trip, use a freezer and so on. Unless that trip happens to be a motorway/freeway.

Fast motorways are incredibly safe because no pedestrians and energy absorbing crash barriers and traffic control/monitoring. There are exceptions e.g. where there is fog for example.

Fast roads in cities should ideally be designed so it is really hard for pedestrians to get on them except at the intersections.

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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That’s crazy slow! I can’t even begin to think of how long it would take to get anywhere. By comparison, “The Texas Transportation Commission is allowed to bump up the speed limit in certain sections to 75, 80 and 85 mph, according to the Texas Department of Transportation. The speed limit can be raised if the highway is deemed safe and reasonable..” Also.. you can typically avoid a ticket by arguing you were still d…

> That’s crazy slow! I can’t even begin to think of how long it would take to get anywhere. By comparison, “The Texas [...]

Amsterdam is roughly 25km across, so less than an hour on surface streets (which this is about). Meanwhile, Austin Tx is a similar population, roughly 30 miles across, and takes ~50 minutes to drive across if you avoid the freeway. They're pretty much identical (but Amsterdam's streets will be much safer for everyone)

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

#78

That’s crazy slow! I can’t even begin to think of how long it would take to get anywhere. By comparison, “The Texas Transportation Commission is allowed to bump up the speed limit in certain sections to 75, 80 and 85 mph, according to the Texas Department of Transportation. The speed limit can be raised if the highway is deemed safe and reasonable..” Also.. you can typically avoid a ticket by arguing you were still d…

You’ve just compared a densely populated city with a sparsely populated state that’s several times the size of the country the aforementioned city is located in. And then started talking about highways.

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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That's 18.6 mph, slower than the speed limit around US schools. Is the expectation people will go 20 or 25 mph (32 to 40 km/h) in reality?

In the US it wouldn't make sense. Spending 2 hours to go to the grocery store and back just on the travelling part would be a big commitment whenever you needed to go.

Amsterdam won't have just 30 km/h roads. Those are just for the last mile.

On the other hand, in Amsterdam there's usually going to be some sort of grocery store somewhere in walking or biking distance; and a lot of train stations have grocery stores too, so you can just pick up some last minute shopping on the way back from work for instance.

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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Sounds terrible. I wouldn't want to live in that city.

It is terrible. They introduced similar speed limits in parts of London UK and it sucks. It does help with noise pollution but driving in London on empty roads at 20 mph is horrible.

It also happened in Portland in 2018, and it sucks, and makes me avoid Portland.

The speed limit is 20mph on most roads, no matter how many lanes of empty tarmac there is, what time of day it is, with how much visibility, how straight the road is, etc. It's a blind political statement with no regard to the actual roads and their circumstances.

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