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Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries
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Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or, they could research the business climate and laws in a country before establishing a presence. Then feel free to buck established practice, but at least know the potential consequences.
Sure, in that case maybe Tesla would never have entered Sweden, but what good is that? It's bad for Sweden, Tesla, and the environment. Discovering this Swedish 'quirk' then vs. now wouldn't make Tesla any more likely to roll over to extralegal bullying tactics.
Extralegal?
The right to strike is enshrined in the Swedish constitution of all things.
Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
How does a country give workers more power? By creating a business-friendly environment. The more companies operate in your country, the more choice of employers. Treated badly? Go work for a competitor. That’s how you put pressure on companies to treat staff better.
Well, we see how that's going in America and it's a race to the bottom. 10 years experience, bachelor's degree required, starting pay of $35k/yr. A society cannot rely on a business whose sole motivation is profitability to provide power to what they view as a liability, not an asset.
America is in top three nations of the world for wages (OECD 2022). Sweden is 18th.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average...
Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Every culture has its own unwritten rules and customs. Many cultures have bribery as an unwritten rule and custom. Every official you run across is expecting a small bribe. Should companies adopt that culture as well?
That's a good question almost every major international business struggles with. As far as I know, the usual answers are paying the required bribes quietly and refusing to do business in that culture. The third option, trying to do business without paying bribes, rarely works.
I'll argue a point I don't really agree with, namely that in this case bribes are fair.
Coiuntries are sovereign. Foreigners don't decide, that's a key outcome of the thirty years' war. So if you go to X, the polite, proper, non-imperialist thing is to follow accepted custom.
Of course, that raises the question of what "accepted custom" means. It's not clear to me that bribing is really accepted in the countries where it's a custom, widely accepted, rather than being something people do reluctantly.
Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tesla is not the public.
Are companies excluded from your idea of the public or just Tesla? I'm genuinely curious. I couldn't care less about Tesla in this case, I am just trying to understand how people are okay with civil servants picking and choosing who they render services to.
They are not civil servants. They are employees of PostNord, which is a company owned by the government but the employees have the same rights as any other employee: to organise themselves. They've organised on a sympathy strike against Tesla, to boycott doing their work that would have Tesla as a customer in sympathy with IF Metall's strike.
All of that is completely legal and acceptable. Employees of a company (PostNord) are joining together with employees from another company to fight against a company trying to avoid the rules on how the labour market works here.
There's no "civil servant" in play. Everyone is a worker.
Accept that it's a different culture, maybe not better or worse than yours but different. Here the labour market is a free market, the government doesn't regulate much, and it's up to negotiations directly between the participants of the market: employers and employees. For that a lot of companies agree under a Collective Bargaining Agreement the minimum bar expected for employers to respect when contracting employees. These CBAs complement the bare minimum legislation around the labour market from government, they are a cornerstone of almost all labour relationship instead of heavy government regulations.
Those are the rules of the game, Tesla is trying to break them, and worse, they brought scabs to break through the strike, which is really not tolerated in this culture. Because of that they have the sympathy of workers from other industries that Tesla relies on, since Tesla is trying to break the social contract of the labour market, other workers feel that is infringing on their own rights since it will create a precedent for other companies to also ignore the rules of the game.
This is what is in play, I hope you understand it's not your culture, it's ok to be ignorant about it but I expect smart people to also be able to learn a different perspective instead of keeping spouting their ignorance.
Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Should individuals be forced to perform their duties against their wills?
That's what the money is for. They signed up to do a job and they are paid to do it. If they don't want to do the job they are free to quit anytime. It is frowned upon to selectively do parts of your job when people are relying on you.
They are also free to strike.
Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, we see how that's going in America and it's a race to the bottom. 10 years experience, bachelor's degree required, starting pay of $35k/yr. A society cannot rely on a business whose sole motivation is profitability to provide power to what they view as a liability, not an asset.
America is in top three nations of the world for wages (OECD 2022). Sweden is 18th. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average...
I mean, in your list Iceland is the number one nation for wages which very much follows a similar Scandinavian model.
Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, we see how that's going in America and it's a race to the bottom. 10 years experience, bachelor's degree required, starting pay of $35k/yr. A society cannot rely on a business whose sole motivation is profitability to provide power to what they view as a liability, not an asset.
America is in top three nations of the world for wages (OECD 2022). Sweden is 18th. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average...
Wages on their own mean nothing.
Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
America is in top three nations of the world for wages (OECD 2022). Sweden is 18th. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average...
I mean, in your list Iceland is the number one nation for wages which very much follows a similar Scandinavian model.
An island that formerly was a tax haven isn’t a great example
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