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Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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This is why warrant canaries can be useful in privacy policies, at least for smaller/startup companies. The apple/google/microsoft/amazon/metas of the world would have had to remove the canary long ago, though.

No competent startup or small business would take on such a legal risk. And anyway, a sure conclusion can already be reached on the basis of reasoning about the complete and total lack of warrant canaries anywhere.

Every Monday morning - since 2006:

https://rsync.net/resources/notices/canary.txt

Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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California with the support of Gavin Newsom is building "no go" zones for wildfire response. Sounds OK except - a video recording of a local Mayor at a wildfire update press conference, asking with deference, when the main highway to his town will re-open, and the response from a tense and aggressive CHP leader was "maybe that road will be closed for six months, maybe next year" with no respect... instantly snapped a…

Do you have a link to this ? I would like to see this interaction…

much respect to rsync -- I believe it was a press CalFIRE event during one of the many ultra-serious fires, and I did not record that video. The interaction was distinct in my mind however, for the reason stated here. The town was a smaller town on the edge of a large forested area. The scope-creep and instant-authority of it all, as bad as that is, is dwarfed by the loss of life and property, flora and fauna during the wildfire. In the execution of emergency duties however, all the rules of engagement should be ON, IMHO.

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An interesting point in Glenn Greenwald’s book is that metadata is often more informative than the “real” data. Consider: 1. A phone call in which Mrs. Smith talks to a receptionist to set an appointment with a doctor for 9:30 next Wednesday. Vs. 2. Knowing that Mrs. Smith called an abortion clinic. #2 seems like a bigger violation of privacy. Metadata is the real data.

This is tangential to a comment I read (probably on HN) perhaps a decade ago, when scandals were being reported that laptop webcams could (surprise!) be activated remotely and people/kids being spied on (I think the article was a school-issued laptop disciplining a child from evidence gathered by the webcam at the child's home). Someone pointed out that, while being watched is creepy, the real damning information on…

Which is why my devices have hardware kill switches for microphone.

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> Want to shoot guns? (relatively lax gun laws for a blue state) Your DA is determined to destroy this right by spending tax dollars appealing 114 until they find a judge who agrees with them.

Yeah it sucks, but I care the least about it tbh.

It's been my experience that you'll probably start caring after it's too late.

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False. That perfectly fits the definition of second hand smoking. https://www.lung.org/policy-advocacy/tobacco/smokefree-envir... https://www.epa.gov/indoor-air-quality-iaq/what-can-i-do-abo... https://no-smoke.org/secondhand-marijuana-smoke-fact-sheet/ Second hand

When did the goalposts move from 'smelling cannabis in the air should be banned' to 'prolonged second hand smoke in the same room at cannabis dispensary levels has an effect on your blood vessels if you're a mouse'?

Compare that with your zero cited sources.

Cool do you have better studies? If so, please share!

I await with bated breath (due to the nasty smoke both physically and here on HN).

Whatever happened to "Trust the Science^TM" with marijuana?

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I mean, I'm already a target for various things/reason. That's why I'm an advocate for viral movements so we hit a point where the movement's so large, we skip over the part of the process where killing us would be an effective means of stopping the movement. But yeah, I'm not going to let threat of death keep me from plowing forward. Embracing death is part of death practice. I'm still going to move forward playfull…

Personally, I think we have seen too much change within our system in my lifetime for me to think hundreds of thousands or millions of people should die in the off chance that we can change it to something remarkably better.

Right there with you. Not trying for violent revolution. Just something more creative than what we've seen in the past.

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There are instead life destroying penalties being handed out to whistleblowers. What a world we live in.

The good thing is we live in a democracy - if we don't like it, we can fix it at the voting booth.

Good, what if only have bad options?

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GP is being ironic. That said, I also think things happen way before the first term. It requires consent of the Party to get on the ballot and hundreds of millions of dollars, increasingly trending towards billions, to run a campaign with a chance of winning, because in a democracy it's quite self evident that the person who spends the most money, must be the better person. Results don't lie! And on top of all of thi…

Very much agree. I would like to ask you a serious question: do you not think it is extremely weird that so many people will at least sometimes [1] agree that "democracy" is essentially fake, but then at other times take quite literally the opposite stance...praising it, defending it, singing its virtues, etc? Granted, it is theoretically possible that each individual is 100% consistent at all times, and I am simply…

That's a very interesting observation that deserves much more thought that I can give in a quick reply.

But I think one major issue is that we're living through an obvious inflection point in history. When the US was competing against the USSR, we achieved numerous objectively incredible things. For but one example, we went from having never put a single man in orbit in 1962, to putting a man on the Moon, in 7 years! In modern times, with modern tech and knowledge, we struggle to replicate what was done 60 years ago.

And so I am exceptionally critical of our systems in modern times, but also look at them with glowing fondness at what they have achieved in the past. But socially we rarely distinguish between the two - Democracy is Democracy. And so this can appear to be cognitive dissonance when one loathes 'current democracy' yet holds dear 'classical democracy.' And I think many people also feel similarly, even if they may not actually even realize it.

But back to the inflection point, for the past ~80 years, and especially the past 30, the US has reigned relatively supreme owing to a large technological edge driving a large economic edge. But now China is equalizing technologically which is also driving their economy upward. It's already the largest in the world PPP adjusted, and will soon enough also be the largest in nominal terms as well. A country of 340 million simply will never be able to compete against a country of 1.4 billion. So they are set to become the world hegemon.

What will that mean? Well historically they've always been relatively insular, even when going through periods of great power, and I don't really expect that to change. In the early 15th century they were, by far, the greatest maritime power yet one does not find Chinese colonies in the Americas, India, Africa, or pretty much anywhere. But on the other hand, I think this change does scare many people, because what if China becomes the new US and just starts trying to put its tendrils into everything and turn everywhere into little clones of the Chinese political system?

And fear is a such a strong driver of irrationality, the same reason people continually vote for people they don't like. I think this fear tends to cause a sort of rally around the flag effect, where people can see that this flag is one they scarcely recognize, let alone truly love, yet it looks far less scary than the one they don't know at all. Drive that fear of the unknown into people, which our political types thrive at, and the people will come racing back, not entirely dissimilar to a woman in an abusive relationship.

I still feel this is not even scratching the surface, but it's at least a first effort! It's such an interesting question that one could easily write several books on the topic. And in the future, people looking back, probably will do exactly that!

Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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Naive question: why not remove all sensitive data, or all data, from the notification and leave the context for a secondary API call?

Yup that is also a great way. Just send a message ID and fetch the actual content in the notification extension that can pre process incoming notifications.

I may be misreading the article, but does it seem like it alludes to metadata- and timing-related analytic techniques, rather than the contents of the notifications?

“...for metadata related to push notifications to, for example, help tie anonymous users of messaging apps to specific Apple or Google accounts.”

So maybe more, they (or somebody) send some messages to this account they want to ID, then request the specific device identifier that received notifications for that app at all of those times?

Would obfuscating the content make much difference with respect to that category of technique?

Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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you're right.... The CIA and, by extension, the US government as a whole (or any subgroup thereof) have never altered the outcome of elections anywhere for regime change, and have never instigated color revolutions for regime change.

If your belief is correct in that the Congress and President are coerced into doing what the shadow government wants, then they would have zero need for a revolution or regime change in the United States.

The CIA and FBI definitely didn't like Trump. You see this same thing with police departments at the local level. They don't like what a mayor says (like de Blasio), they get the blue flu and cause crime to increase and the mayor takes the heat for the increase in crime.

https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2020/07/17/fridays-headlines-blu...

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