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Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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Post by WirelessGigabit »

robbiet480 wrote: post #306

We at the Home Assistant Companion for iOS team have been wanting to implement end to end encryption for our push notifications for a while now but Apple has denied our request for the com.apple.developer.usernotifications.filtering [0] entitlement multiple times. Wondering if with today's news we could apply again and get it. For context, we are sending ~35 million push notifications per month on iOS and ~67 million…

It is quite insane how Apple filters entitlements and denies usage of them in a seemingly arbitrary way...

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Post by roody15 »

freedomben wrote: post #571

Why didn't Apple pull the plug on these services as soon as the government started spying with them? Why didn't they rearchitect them to use E2E encrypt? Do they actually have principles about privacy or is it just a thing they want us to believe?

Apple uses “privacy” as a marketing term. They market themselves as protecting your “privacy” from advertisers unlike Google.

Apple open complies with all data requests from government agencies and law enforcement. It is not a hard process for law enforcement to get someone’s iCloud data with a warrant.

https://www.apple.com/privacy/government-information-request...

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Post by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #412
MR4D wrote: post #62

Ron Ryden has been barking up this tree for a long time: https://www.wyden.senate.gov/issues/secret-law https://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/press-releases/wyden-colle... https://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/press-releases/wyden-intro... https://www.wyden.senate.gov/priorities/gps-act https://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/press-releases/wyden-relea...

Gosh I am so happy to have like the best senator in the senate next to Bernie Sanders in Oregon. Oregon is an extremely based state. Y'all crap on PDX but the reality is that we have more freedom and less tyranny here than in any other state in the nation, and possibly in the world. PDX is "bad" because it's one of the only places in the world that hated the cops enough to actually muzzle them - and not living in fea…

> Want to shoot guns? (relatively lax gun laws for a blue state)

Your DA is determined to destroy this right by spending tax dollars appealing 114 until they find a judge who agrees with them.

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Post by gimbalpirate »

Klonoar wrote: post #570
brundolf wrote: post #567

I'm surprised hyper-private services like Signal haven't foreseen this as a potential vector and given you options to eg. exclude different details from push notifications (or warned you to disable them altogether if you're worried about it)

Unless my memory is seriously off, Signal push notifications just tell your device to call and fetch. It’s not like they’re unaware and just sending you stuff in plain text.

Can you elaborate on this? I'm still not sure if Signal notifications are any less vulnerable than others.

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Post by t0bia_s »

bkallus wrote: post #524
t0bia_s wrote: post #514

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Not true. Battery double liftime on my LineageOS device without gaaps and other gservices that constantly connect to gservers.

All I can say is that Signal uses more battery than any other app on my phone. Since my Pixel 7a's last complete charge 3 days ago, Signal has been in the foreground for only 2 hours, but it has been running in the background the entire time.

Try Molly. Fork of Signal.

https://molly.im/

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Post by selimthegrim »

toyg wrote: post #505
selimthegrim wrote: post #309

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Pakistan?

Let me think - could it be the one country with a complicated situation where most of the security-services apparatus is nominally allied but actually supporting forces opposed to the US (talibans etc), with a sclerotic political system defaulting to military dictatorship every other decade; or the long-standing allied democracies (plural) with a well-documented history of structural cooperation in matters of espiona…

They let Israel do it to Palestinian Americans.

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Post by sgentle »

brundolf wrote: post #567

I'm surprised hyper-private services like Signal haven't foreseen this as a potential vector and given you options to eg. exclude different details from push notifications (or warned you to disable them altogether if you're worried about it)

Fortunately, they did foresee this! The push notification only contains enough information to tell the phone that it should fetch the actual notification content from Signal's servers.

Here's a Signal dev talking about it on the Signal-Android GitHub: https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/issues/12961#iss...

And similarly for Signal-iOS: https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-iOS/issues/962#issuecomm...

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

bozhark wrote: post #515
anonymouskimmer wrote: post #436

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> Want to smoke weed? The tyranny of the masses is still a tyranny. I'd personally like to move to a state where all smoking, but at least weed smoking, is illegal. I really don't like second hand smoke, especially when it smells and hangs as much as weed smoke does.

This comment is rather obtuse. You want to live in a state where all smoking is illegal? Because you don’t like the smell of weed smoke? How interesting.

> Because you don’t like the smell of weed smoke?

No, not because I "don't like" it, but because the smell of weed smoke causes quality of life and health issues.

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Post by frumper »

explaininjs wrote: post #442
metabagel wrote: post #233

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People are already overwhelmed by having to vote for the superintendent of their sanitation district

That’s part of the ploy. Give people a million menial jobs to elect so they feel exhausted by the process instead of demanding to have control over the real power. See also the California senators, which have at this point been unilaterally appointed by Gavin rather than elected by the people. If that wasn’t bad enough, he appointed this latest one based on a personal promise made to put a Black woman in the seat, in…

You’re saying part of the problem is people overwhelmed by menial job elections yet say people should elect police captains. Should they then also elect deputy police chiefs, police chiefs? Also, anyone that knows their civics would know that what Newsome did is covered in the US Constitution.

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Post by unethical_ban »

haroldp wrote: post #408
lostNFound wrote: post #370

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This is quite the proposition. You think that the average person commits a legal offense at least every 2 days? What examples are you proposing? If you count speeding, sure I guess.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1594035229

That was the term I had in mind, but didn't want to use. Heh
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