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Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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> Internet piracy isn’t ethically justifiable Is it not? What about when a company like Sony pulls millions of purchased digital content without a refund? What about when discovery pulls a whole lot of content so they can write it off? What about when companies push for digital only releases without a way to physically own the content? No, piracy isn't just ethical, it is the only way one can ensure they actually own…

There are many ways to look at piracy.

You can make a case for ethical use cases, for sure, as you've done. Piracy as a valuable tool for archival.

You can also make a case, not based on ethics, but to think about it as a way of consumers exercising control over their media consumption. If they don't like what's on offer from the big media companies (who exploit everyone in the production chain so enrich the execs and investors) then they can go somewhere else. With enough piracy, media companies are forced to provide a better deal. This is what lead to the creation of Netflix, and what led Apple to use their considerable market forces to get the industry behind DRM-free music. I think we can all agree that some balance of power between corporate behemoths and their customers is a good thing. In this model, piracy is actually a competitor in the media industry. You are competing for those customers. I think Netflix really understood this at the beginning, and it got gigantic by basically stealing customers from pirate sites.

Let's take another perspective to present on argument on whether or not to pirate media:

Pirated media, like a lot of illicit activities which takes place outside official channels presents a security risk. Never pirate any kind of software! This is how some of the great tragedies happen in infosec. I recall hearing some stories from security folks, about breaches which started as employees downloading cracks and keygens for photoshop and the like on work machines. Jesus H. Christ on a cracker. Music and movies, for savvy users, is significantly more safe since for the most part, those media files don't (or can't) contain executable code. There are edge cases, like abandonware where it is impossible sometimes to purchase the software you are looking for, and abandonware is relatively safe in the scheme of things.

Another argument: The socio-economic class argument. If you are not wealthy enough to afford what wealthier people (or people from wealthier nations) are paying for, it's OK to pirate it. It's harming no-one, as you were never going to be a paying customer in the first place. In some cases, whatever media may be impossible to legally purchase in your country.

There's also the techno-libertarian/pirate party perspective of "Information wants to be free", but honestly that's getting a bit abstract and I can't articulate well that perspective in a way that makes sense to me if you're talking about music and TV shows. Software though - reverse engineering software, and making your own version, I can get behind and it makes sense.

What I won't do is share which of these perspectives I live by, or tell you which perspectives you should live by (other than that second one: For god's sake don't pirate software for your own good). The "don't pirate software" was a talking point I recently wrote down in a Readme.txt for my nephews who are getting their first gaming PC's for Christmas (from myself and my brother).

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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"Memery" being people sharing their own experience that happens to differ from the norm...?

No, people making blanket statements about the economy based on their personal experiences (and similar anecdotes they read from forums like this one). Look at the data!

The person you replied to above this was sharing their own experiences, not making any statements about the economy.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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> and cost of living biting hard for the average person This is a meme that won't die. This is simply false. Real wages, real per capita GDP, real median income et. al. are all higher now than before covid. There was a 13 month burst of inflation (which correlated almost perfectly with wage growth, FWIW), and it seems like everyone lost their minds.

In 2020, the price of a Netflix standard plan was $13. Now it's $16. That's a 23% increase. The "premium" (why 4k is premium in 2023 beats me, but okay) plan has gone up 43%, from $16 to $23. [1] Has your salary gone up 20-40% since 2020? Mine has gone up, but at less than 20%. And Netflix is only one of the costs, groceries and food seem to have gone up by ridiculous amounts like 50% or so. That's why the cost of li…

> Sure, incomes have gone up. Prices seem to have gone up more. I fail to see how this is a meme.

It's a meme because of the "seem to have" part. You believe it because it feels true, even though it's actually false. People measure this stuff. What you say is wrong. Wages have grown faster than prices over the past 4 years. Period. You can't just throw out decades of research and process development on CPI indicators because of your Netflix bill!

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Well, I'd stop paying for Netflix well before I'd stop paying for Spotify because Spotify has much closer to the "everything"of that particular form of entertainment than Netflix does, and new albums and songs are relatively instantly available on the service. For whatever reason, the ability to arrange music licensing to allow for an aggregator of everything is much easier than for movie and TV show licensing.

The problem I have with Spotify is the money I pay doesn’t go to the artists I potentially to. If I pay £15 a month and listen to 15 different artists 50 times each I would expect each artist to get £1 minus costs, so say 50p. But they don’t, they instead get a fraction of that.

The problem you have is with the record labels, not Spotify.

Spotify takes the blame, but the record labels take the lion's share.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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In 2020, the price of a Netflix standard plan was $13. Now it's $16. That's a 23% increase. The "premium" (why 4k is premium in 2023 beats me, but okay) plan has gone up 43%, from $16 to $23. [1] Has your salary gone up 20-40% since 2020? Mine has gone up, but at less than 20%. And Netflix is only one of the costs, groceries and food seem to have gone up by ridiculous amounts like 50% or so. That's why the cost of li…

> Sure, incomes have gone up. Prices seem to have gone up more. I fail to see how this is a meme. It's a meme because of the "seem to have" part. You believe it because it feels true, even though it's actually false . People measure this stuff. What you say is wrong. Wages have grown faster than prices over the past 4 years. Period. You can't just throw out decades of research and process development on CPI indicator…

> People measure this stuff. What you say is wrong.

Can you send me a link that shows measurements of:

a) X: The price of a specific standardized basket of goods used for CPI, broken down by exactly how much it cost in 2019 v/s 2023 (linking to a magic number for the whole basket is not acceptable, this needs to demonstrate exact prices of specific items, like the price of 160z of cheese. Varying baskets are also not acceptable, because then you're not measuring the same thing).

b) Y: The exact median income of a household in 2019 v/s 2023

I'll accept that prices have gone down and things have gotten better if X/Y as of 2019 is less than X/Y as of 2023.

> You can't just throw out decades of research and process development on CPI indicators because of your Netflix bill!

It's the other way round -- you can't just handwave some “decades of research and development” at people and claim that they should magically feel better off than four years prior. A lot of times this R&D is motivated by pressures that are unrelated to measuring the economic wellbeing of families, and any research is going to have its flaws that don't exactly match up to how the median family is feeling economic pressures. People who claim that the research is correct need to share specifics.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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It's always funny for me how the lost profits they calculate are inflated as hell. Here for example, they state that the US economy lost 29B$ due to piracy. In majority of the cases people who downloaded some of these shows/music would never buy all of these at full price. I personally subscribe to 3-5 streaming services and still if I'm looking for something classic (e.g. 1995 Heat) it always turns out to be either…

> It's always funny for me how the lost profits they calculate are inflated as hell. It's also funny they don't account for the free distribution, reach, branding, and market penetration that Piracy gives them. We've had the release of the GTA VI trailer a few days ago and it reminded me of how me and my friends became truly fans of the series with GTA Vice City. We were kids and couldn't afford it so we had to play…

Minecraft is a good example of that, they never really cracked down on the piracy before the Microsoft acquisition. But since its advertisement was word-to-mouth, that huge pirate userbase probably brought a lot of paying users

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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> Sure, incomes have gone up. Prices seem to have gone up more. I fail to see how this is a meme. It's a meme because of the "seem to have" part. You believe it because it feels true, even though it's actually false . People measure this stuff. What you say is wrong. Wages have grown faster than prices over the past 4 years. Period. You can't just throw out decades of research and process development on CPI indicator…

> People measure this stuff. What you say is wrong. Can you send me a link that shows measurements of: a) X: The price of a specific standardized basket of goods used for CPI, broken down by exactly how much it cost in 2019 v/s 2023 (linking to a magic number for the whole basket is not acceptable, this needs to demonstrate exact prices of specific items, like the price of 160z of cheese. Varying baskets are also not…

There are FRED charts elsewhere in this thread answering both your demands. But again, I don't care if you "believe" me or not. My point is precisely that your belief is decoupled from data. It's not my job to give you the data, it's yours. And by your own admission you don't want to do that. That's the problem.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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> People measure this stuff. What you say is wrong. Can you send me a link that shows measurements of: a) X: The price of a specific standardized basket of goods used for CPI, broken down by exactly how much it cost in 2019 v/s 2023 (linking to a magic number for the whole basket is not acceptable, this needs to demonstrate exact prices of specific items, like the price of 160z of cheese. Varying baskets are also not…

There are FRED charts elsewhere in this thread answering both your demands. But again, I don't care if you "believe" me or not. My point is precisely that your belief is decoupled from data. It's not my job to give you the data, it's yours. And by your own admission you don't want to do that. That's the problem.

Again, just chanting "FRED charts" is not a magic wand. One of the FRED chart links you posted [1] shows real median household income trending steadily downward from 2019's peak of from 78,250 in 2019 to 74,580 in 2023.

That's literally a decrease. I am not clear as to why you want me and others to somehow see that as an increase? And don't say "cherry-picking", there were no stimulus checks in 2019.

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[1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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It's easy to find where to stream a show from: https://www.justwatch.com https://reelgood.com/

I'm sure that works well in the US. In my locale not so much.

Is it inaccurate if you set your country?
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