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Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by robertlagrant »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #453
robertlagrant wrote: post #98

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Unionization shouldn't be there to disrupt another company. It should be there so you can bargain against your employer. This seems really inappropriate.

It seems like the people of the country were willing to do business with Tesla, but elmu refused to negotiate the terms under which the business would be done. No negotiation = no terms = no business. If this is what elmu wants, so be it. The people of the country will continue deciding how to run their country without this particular arrogant rich narcissist.

I don't understand - haven't the people to do the work already been hired? Wasn't business already being done? This is a post-hoc change to the agreed terms of employment by the employees.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by jakderrida »

appleskeptic wrote: post #414
jakderrida wrote: post #279

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It's pathetic how your position on violent strikebreakers is so lenient that you don't even feel them worth mentioning. Sort of a testament to how effective American brainwashing is. It's equally pathetic that you think the role of the state is to expend unlimited funds to keep the enemies of private enterprises incarcerated, even when it would cost us all far more than adopting an enlightened policy regarding collec…

Violent strike breakers should go to jail too.

While it's great you're adopting a less horrendous position, you're still not acknowledging that incarcerating everyone entails massive costs. Costs that far exceed the amount of marginal pay increases that would go to workers in an enlightened legal system that regards collective bargaining rights as a fundamental human right. "Just arrest everyone" works neither on paper nor practice.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by wyager »

nemothekid wrote: post #400
wyager wrote: post #289

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> What is this entity that compels government employees to work? Typically the entity that compels employees to to their job (or be fired) is their employer. That is, in fact, the defining relationship between employees and employers.

The employer here is the government. That's why they are _government employees_. Last I checked, Sweden wasn't under a dictatorship. So again, if the citizenry largely support the strike, what is this shadow entity that is requiring them work?

Government employees do not work for the nebulous collective will of the population. They work for the government, which is a structured entity.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

robertlagrant wrote: post #461
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like the people of the country were willing to do business with Tesla, but elmu refused to negotiate the terms under which the business would be done. No negotiation = no terms = no business. If this is what elmu wants, so be it. The people of the country will continue deciding how to run their country without this particular arrogant rich narcissist.

I don't understand - haven't the people to do the work already been hired? Wasn't business already being done? This is a post-hoc change to the agreed terms of employment by the employees.

I would be happy to help you understand. Two concepts at play here, which are important to understand, are sympathy strikes (I'll leave it to you to check out the term and read up on the logic behind the action) and precedent setting (the people of the country don't wish to set a precedent of employers refusing to collectively bargain with workers).

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by wyager »

itishappy wrote: post #309
wyager wrote: post #258

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Anyone know of an ETF that buys stocks excluded by activist funds?

Most of them? Agendas are diverse, any company that grows enough is likely to have pissed of at least one group somewhere.

I mean only "excluded" stocks. I specifically want to make money off slippage losses etc. from activist funds selling stocks for activism reasons.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by jacquesm »

carlosjobim wrote: post #459
jacquesm wrote: post #451

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No, you should apologize because you clearly didn't read the article. It's just the difference between opt-in and opt-out and you can simply opt-out and anybody that is subject to these arrangements is aware of them. But then you also don't benefit from the union in times of strikes and such. With the very high fraction of employers that sign up for these programs it's pretty common to automatically enroll them in th…

Opt-in and opt-out? Somebody unilaterally "opts" you into a union, a home insurance contract and in the past "opted" you into being a paying member of a political party. That is extraordinary. Edit: Apologies for confusing you with the other poster.

You are doing your level best to make it seem like something is malicious when it clearly isn't. That's on you, not on the OP.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by wyager »

Moiman wrote: post #337
wyager wrote: post #289

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> What is this entity that compels government employees to work? Typically the entity that compels employees to to their job (or be fired) is their employer. That is, in fact, the defining relationship between employees and employers.

It is illegal to fire employees who are participating in lawful strike.

That may be the case, but that's not germane to our discussion, which concerns whether it's bad to fire people who don't do their job. This is a normative discussion, not a descriptive one.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by nemothekid »

wyager wrote: post #463
nemothekid wrote: post #400

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The employer here is the government. That's why they are _government employees_. Last I checked, Sweden wasn't under a dictatorship. So again, if the citizenry largely support the strike, what is this shadow entity that is requiring them work?

Government employees do not work for the nebulous collective will of the population. They work for the government, which is a structured entity.

This distinction is meaningless. The motivations of the "structured entity" is defined by the nebulous collective will of the population. If the elected members of the "structured entity" feel as though the best course of action is for those employees not work, then they don't have to work. I don't know why the needs to Tesla should have higher weight than those of electorate.

If PostNord was a private, shareholder owned company, sure those shareholders may value revenue over social cohesion.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by carlosjobim »

jacquesm wrote: post #466
carlosjobim wrote: post #459

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Opt-in and opt-out? Somebody unilaterally "opts" you into a union, a home insurance contract and in the past "opted" you into being a paying member of a political party. That is extraordinary. Edit: Apologies for confusing you with the other poster.

You are doing your level best to make it seem like something is malicious when it clearly isn't. That's on you, not on the OP.

Come on, that playbook is ancient by now. Deny facts and call people liars, then when irrefutable evidence is shown say "Oh, but it's a good thing!". I just stated the truth, and if you think it's fine or even great that this happens, then sure. But why deny that it happens then? Why is that still in the playbook? If people think it's great, then say so. We're in the information age, anybody can look up stuff easily.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by avgcorrection »

appleskeptic wrote: post #419
avgcorrection wrote: post #18

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Should woulda. Maybe enough people would strike if your kinda law would go into effect so that the law couldn’t be maintained. Daily reminder that Norway has NHO, a national union for employers/enterprises. (I don’t like it but it is what is.)

I'm not saying you should have to fire them. But you should be able to.

That’s probably legal in many places yeah.
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