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Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by raincole »

pizzafeelsright wrote: post #29

I suppose this is a great example of how trust in authentic videos, audio, images, company marketing must be questioned and, until verified, assumed to be 'generated'. I am curious, if the voice, email, chat, and shortly video can all be entirely generated in real or near real time, how can we be sure that remote employee is actually not a full or partially generated entity? Shared secrets are great when verifying bu…

If you can't verify whether your employee is AI, then you fire them and replace them with AI.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by karaterobot »

This is endemic to public product demos. The thing never works as it does in the video. I'm not excusing it, I'm saying: don't trust public product demos. They are commercials, they exist to sell to you, not to document objectively and accurately, and they will always lie and mislead within the limits of the law.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by pb7 »

mulmen wrote: post #45
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #37

I have used Swype texting since the t9 days. If I demoed swype texting as it functions in my day to day life to someone used to a querty keyboard they would never adopt it The rate at which it makes wrong assumptions about the word, or I have to fix it is probably 10% to 20% of the time However because it’s so easy to fix this is not an issue and it doesn’t slow me down at all. So within the context of the different…

Does swype make editing easier somehow? iOS spellcheck has negative value. I turned it off years ago and it reduced errors but there are still typos to fix. Unfortunately iOS text editing is also completely worthless. It forces strange selections and inserts edited text in awkward ways. I’m a QWERTY texter but text entry on iOS is a complete disaster that has only gotten worse over time.

Hard disagree. I could type your whole comment without any typos completely blindly (except maybe "QWERTY" because uppercaps don't get autocorrected).

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by wlesieutre »

mikepurvis wrote: post #56
mulmen wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does swype make editing easier somehow? iOS spellcheck has negative value. I turned it off years ago and it reduced errors but there are still typos to fix. Unfortunately iOS text editing is also completely worthless. It forces strange selections and inserts edited text in awkward ways. I’m a QWERTY texter but text entry on iOS is a complete disaster that has only gotten worse over time.

I'm an iOS user and prefer the swipe input implementation in GBoard over the one in the native keyboard. I'm not sure what the differences are, but GBoard just seems to overall make fewer mistakes and do a better job correcting itself from context.

Have you tried the native keyboard since iOS 17? It’s quite a lot better than older versions.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by nozzlegear »

mikepurvis wrote: post #56
mulmen wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does swype make editing easier somehow? iOS spellcheck has negative value. I turned it off years ago and it reduced errors but there are still typos to fix. Unfortunately iOS text editing is also completely worthless. It forces strange selections and inserts edited text in awkward ways. I’m a QWERTY texter but text entry on iOS is a complete disaster that has only gotten worse over time.

I'm an iOS user and prefer the swipe input implementation in GBoard over the one in the native keyboard. I'm not sure what the differences are, but GBoard just seems to overall make fewer mistakes and do a better job correcting itself from context.

As I was reading Andrew's comment to myself, I was trying to figure out when and why I stopped using swype typing on my phone. Then it hit me – I stopped after I switched from Android to iOS a few years ago. Something about the iOS implementation just doesn't feel right.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

Nekorosu wrote: post #51

Gemini demo looks like ChatGPT with a video feed, except it doesn't exist, like ChatGPT. I have ChatGPT on my phone right now, and it works (and it can process images, audio, and audio feed in). This means Google has shown nothing of substance. In my world, it's a classic stock price manipulation move.

Gemini Pro is available on Bard now.

Ultra is not yet available.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by imiric »

rollulus wrote: post #46

I watched this video, impressed, and thought: what if it’s fake. But then dismissed the thought because it would come out and the damage wouldn’t be worth it. I was wrong.

The worst part is that there won't be any damage. They'll release a blog post with PR apologies, but the publicity they got from this stunt will push up their brand in mainstream AI conversations regardless.

"There's no such thing as bad publicity."

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by skywhopper »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #37

I have used Swype texting since the t9 days. If I demoed swype texting as it functions in my day to day life to someone used to a querty keyboard they would never adopt it The rate at which it makes wrong assumptions about the word, or I have to fix it is probably 10% to 20% of the time However because it’s so easy to fix this is not an issue and it doesn’t slow me down at all. So within the context of the different…

I know marketing is marketing, but it's bad form IMO to "demo" something in a manner totally detached from its actual manner of use. A swype keyboard takes practice to use, but the demos of that sort of input typically show it being used in a realistic way, even if the demo driver is an "expert".

This is the sort of demo that 1) gives people a misleading idea of what the product can actually do; and 2) ultimately contributes to the inevitable cynical backlash.

If the product is really great, people can see it in a realistic demo of its capabilities.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by skepticATX »

kweingar wrote: post #4

The video itself and the video description give a disclaimer to this effect. Agreed that some will walk away with an incorrect view of how Gemini functions, though. Hopefully realtime interaction will be part of an app soon. Doesn’t seem like there would be too many technical hurdles there.

No. The disclaimer was not nearly enough.

The video fooled many people, including myself. This was not your typical super optimized and scripted demo.

This was blatant false advertising. Showing capabilities that do not exist. It’s shameful behavior from Google, to be perfectly honest.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by hiccuphippo »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #54
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #37

I have used Swype texting since the t9 days. If I demoed swype texting as it functions in my day to day life to someone used to a querty keyboard they would never adopt it The rate at which it makes wrong assumptions about the word, or I have to fix it is probably 10% to 20% of the time However because it’s so easy to fix this is not an issue and it doesn’t slow me down at all. So within the context of the different…

Its honestly pretty mind boggling that we’d even use querty on a smartphone. The entire point of the layout is to keep your fingers on the home row. Meanwhile people text with a single or two thumbs 100% of the time.

I use 8vim[0] from time to time, it's a good idea but needs a dictionary/autocompletion. You can get ok speeds after an hour of usage.

[0] https://f-droid.org/en/packages/inc.flide.vi8/

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